Reply to: The BBC would cost more as a streaming service.

[Scoobos]

The BBC is definitely a bit woke, but having seen the offerings in many other countries, it's still streets ahead of anything else. CBeebies alone is worth the license fee.

Swiss TV is publicly funded, more expensive than the the UK Licence, is not very good and has adverts. It's almost impossible to avoid paying.

I take objection! The BBC isn't woke -it's just a public sector corporation. Every British public sector institution is like that, and probably too right too. What is "woke" anyway - isnt it the same as the gay movement in the 00's, or the race movement in the 90's , the women' rights movement before that, etc etc? It's just called progress and change , and I think its good that the media represents it.

<off me soapbox> AGAIN!

[darmstadt]

The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel

watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)

download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.

This applies to any device you use, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.


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[AtW]

No you don't.

Yes you do if you have a TV used to watch (other) live broadcasts like say Sky News.

[LondonManc]

Bad analogy - it's a tax because you have to pay it even if you don't watch BBC

No you don't. Not like you to state something as fact that isn't true.

[AtW]

You don’t have to earn money, so income tax is not a tax.

That’s par for the course from dooodard who said - “these are not real death, they are imaginary”

Exact quote that will live forever -

OK so these are imaginary future deaths, not real ones. Thanks for clarifying, I will give your forecasting the attention it deserves.

That was 4th January - 375 death on that day, and we know how high they've gone up shortly thereafter...

[mattster]

You don't have to watch terrestrial TV, so it's not a tax.

TV license is required for watching any live or recorded TV channel via any service; aerial, online, satellite or cable, BBC or otherwise.

Whilst it is true that not everyone watches/has a TV, that is a vanishingly small percentage, so I would agree that the TV license should just be rolled into general taxation. The hassles and overhead of a separate "licensing" system seems like a bit of an anachronism at this point.

[AtW]

You don't have to watch terrestrial TV, so it's not a tax.

You don’t have to earn money, so income tax is not a tax.

That’s par for the course from dooodard who said - “these are not real death, they are imaginary”

[NotAllThere]

I've never understood the contempt for the BBC - it's something to be immensely proud of and an actual POSITIVE on the greater world, made in Britain.

Every single country I've lived and worked in, including the "insular" ones , have had BBC world service broadcasts.

Asking people "would you prefer not to pay for something" is always going to get a majority saying yes .

Selling the BBC as tied to a "TV Licence" is probably a language problem nowadays - it's so much more than TV - I think I use the internet and radio much more nowadays, as TV becomes less relevant.

The BBC is definitely a bit woke, but having seen the offerings in many other countries, it's still streets ahead of anything else. CBeebies alone is worth the license fee.

Swiss TV is publicly funded, more expensive than the the UK Licence, is not very good and has adverts. It's almost impossible to avoid paying.

[d000hg]

Terrestial TV is free, what payment you talking about? It's the tax for the "priviledge" of watching TV in the 21st century, they give you small discount if you are blind though, very nice people.

You don't have to watch terrestrial TV, so it's not a tax.

[vetran]

No you don't. It's like having to pay a full gym membership just to use the swimming pool.

you aren't doing very well with your analogies are you?


No you do need a TV license under the following circumstances, you have to pay it even if you do not watch the BBC.

Legal framework - TV Licensing ™.

A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, and to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer. This could be on any device, including TVs, desktop computers, laptops, mobile phones, tablets, games consoles, digital boxes, DVD, Blu-ray and VHS recorders. This applies regardless of which television channels a person receives or how those channels are received. The licence fee is not a payment for BBC services (or any other television service), although licence fee revenue is used to fund the BBC.

So even if you swim only in the ITV pool you have to pay.

They had the opportunity when we switched to DVB to make every device include a CAM card. The BBC could become a subscription service like SKY.

[AtW]

No you don't. It's like having to pay a full gym membership just to use the swimming pool.

Terrestial TV is free, what payment you talking about? It's the tax for the "priviledge" of watching TV in the 21st century, they give you small discount if you are blind though, very nice people.

Swimming pool was extra anyway in places that I've been signed up to.

I support actual funding of BBC, but it should be done from general taxation to avoid creating small taxes that piss off a lot of people (and clog up courts).

[d000hg]

Bad analogy - it's a tax because you have to pay it even if you don't watch BBC

No you don't. It's like having to pay a full gym membership just to use the swimming pool.

[AtW]

It's not a tax any more than a gym membership is a tax.

Bad analogy - it's a tax because you have to pay it even if you don't watch BBC

[d000hg]

BBC should be funded by general taxation rather than separate small tax that causes so much contention (and wasted court time).

It's still a tax if they call it "fee" or "charge" or "duty" or "levy" or (forced) "subscription" - it's a fooking TAX, so let's treat it as such.

It's not a tax any more than a gym membership is a tax.

[Scoobos]

As it links to national newspapers and copies the opening excepts from their stories about the BBC being biased why would it need one.

a bit like this.

nhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-britons-feel-the-bbc-does-not-share-their-values-gm0z9cfxf?--xx-meta=denied_for_visit%3D0%26visit_number%3D0%26vis it_remaining%3D0%26visit_used%3D0&--xx-mvt-opted-out=false&--xx-uuid=2067ea4c55068fdbb4c2deeb673cd101&ni-statuscode=acsaz-307

Well course they do, because half of Britons with time to answer polls like that , are the same half that I won't shine the light on.