Reply to: SC Clearance with points on license / criminal record

[agentzero]

I am curious .. if you can land a PM role .. you must have been a PM before and you should have money. Why are you driving around uninsured? Day insurance can be had for as little as £30!


On another topic, I once worked for a law enforcement govt. organization that required a CTC clearance. We selected an Indian guy and it turned out that he had come here on a student visa and had overstayed his visa and was an illegal. The nerve of that guy!

It is possible for mistakes to happen. Most car insurance policy certificates contain an ability to drive other cars with third party insurance provided by the car insurance provider that provided the certificate IF the car is already insured with fully comprehensive insurance by someone who doesn't have stipulated relations to you, not driven for business purposes and not for rally track racing.

If someone states they are insured but there is an issue with that certificate, such as it explicitly disallowing other people to drive it insured, negating the other certificate clause on your certificate, then you don't don't have insurance. The insurance may also have expired, or car have no MOT or road excise duty, in which case the police will stop the car after it's flagged during random checks or by ANPR road cameras. Such cameras are now everywhere and so lots of people will be caught out, particularly after not using their car much last year.

It hasn't happened to me, but you need to ask for a copy of the insurance certificate from the person you're who apparently insures the car you want to drive. Trust no one when it comes to this, as a no insurance strike on your driving license is difficult to have reversed by a court and makes future insurance really expensive.

[agentzero]

(SNIP)

I have recently been charged with driving without third party insurance and driving without due care and attention. I plan to plead guilty to the former - so as a minimum I will have 6 points on my drivers license.

Not sure if this would be seen as spent or unspent criminal conviction but is this something that I should be worried about? Can i fail SC clearance for having a driving offence of this nature?
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They usually directly ask you during the interview if you have a clean driving license or recent driving history. If they haven't asked this during interview then it may not matter as much as you think. Honesty is important, so be honest on the form and provide as much detail you think appropriate when detailing the points.

You might get SC clearance or you may not. It might be nothing to do with the incident.

[Lost It]

You'd kind of be wrong then. Obviously both of those won't work in your favour either but it's about being coerced and trustworthiness. Having debt means you may be tempted to sell the data or be bullied in to stealing it so although it might appear frivolous its been proven time and time again as a reason for people doing stupid stuff. Obviously there are different types of debt, some normal, some that are a problem but owing money you can't pay back is a problem.

Speeding points, drunk and disorderly and maybe even a bit of personal drug use doesn't generally mean you are a risk to national security.. but then no one knows the criteria.

I must be a good lad then because I've been to places.

[Destiny2]

I am curious .. if you can land a PM role .. you must have been a PM before and you should have money. Why are you driving around uninsured? Day insurance can be had for as little as £30!


On another topic, I once worked for a law enforcement govt. organization that required a CTC clearance. We selected an Indian guy and it turned out that he had come here on a student visa and had overstayed his visa and was an illegal. The nerve of that guy!

[Gibbon]

But you won't know what they are testing until you fail to get cleared, and then you won't be allowed to know because it's classified..

Sometimes they come back for clarification though as I found out when I failed to include a six months flat rental which I only used for two. I'd moved a few times since then and genuinely forgot. But yes they do quite a thorough search so little point in trying to game it as you say.

[malvolio]

Yep, when I got divorced along came the financial questionnaire. Funny thing is I was better off as I had no debts and a load of beer chits. Speeding points don't seem to have at impact nor trying to use someone else's driving licence.

Worked with one guy whose clearance hadn't come through for months. One day he got a demand for payment from one of their old credit cards, which his ex had loaded to the limit and not bothered to pay back. He paid the debt and his clearance appeared in that week.

Which also highlights what I keep saying that this is not always the clearance agency at play, it's also the local security team. The agency highlighted the debt, the local team waited until it was resolved until they passed his clearance. The unaddressed debt was the blocker, notwithstanding he knew nothing about it. Nor, come to that, would anyone tell him outside the CC company; wouldn't do to expose how clearance works in case people try to game it...

But you won't know what they are testing until you fail to get cleared, and then you won't be allowed to know because it's classified..

[Gibbon]

You'd kind of be wrong then. Obviously both of those won't work in your favour either but it's about being coerced and trustworthiness. Having debt means you may be tempted to sell the data or be bullied in to stealing it so although it might appear frivolous its been proven time and time again as a reason for people doing stupid stuff. Obviously there are different types of debt, some normal, some that are a problem but owing money you can't pay back is a problem.

Speeding points, drunk and disorderly and maybe even a bit of personal drug use doesn't generally mean you are a risk to national security.. but then no one knows the criteria.

Yep, when I got divorced along came the financial questionnaire. Funny thing is I was better off as I had no debts and a load of beer chits. Speeding points don't seem to have at impact nor trying to use someone else's driving licence.

[northernladuk]

I thought it was more to do with you being a convicted kiddy fiddler or fraudster than having massive debt? I mean who won't have massive debt after the Rona is caged? Of good character kind of thing. But if your dad was in the IRA you might have a problem.

You'd kind of be wrong then. Obviously both of those won't work in your favour either but it's about being coerced and trustworthiness. Having debt means you may be tempted to sell the data or be bullied in to stealing it so although it might appear frivolous its been proven time and time again as a reason for people doing stupid stuff. Obviously there are different types of debt, some normal, some that are a problem but owing money you can't pay back is a problem.

Speeding points, drunk and disorderly and maybe even a bit of personal drug use doesn't generally mean you are a risk to national security.. but then no one knows the criteria.

[Paddy]

I thought it was more to do with you being a convicted kiddy fiddler or fraudster than having massive debt? I mean who won't have massive debt after the Rona is caged? Of good character kind of thing. But if your dad was in the IRA you might have a problem.

Many years ago I contracted at an investment bank that required SC. I was surprised to find a fellow contractor who was Lebanese, never previously worked in the UK and merely had a Lebanese police record check certificate. He was also as thick as s**t but he had loads of qualification certificates.

[Lost It]

Ignore it. Be honest if asked.

SC / DV is the authority's way of measuring your honestly, your risk of being coerced. Massive debts are more likely to raise an eyebrow than points on a license.

I thought it was more to do with you being a convicted kiddy fiddler or fraudster than having massive debt? I mean who won't have massive debt after the Rona is caged? Of good character kind of thing. But if your dad was in the IRA you might have a problem.

[malvolio]

Yep, but until HMG start taking action to clamp down on it, it will continue. There are no consequences for the agents, so no incentive not to do it.

We tried to come up with something that would work, but since clearance is not covered by law it is almost impossible to do. Best offer was to remove offending agencies from the HMG supply chain but that proved to be impractical.

Departments follow the rules, but no-one else does, and many don't even understand them.

[DaveB]

I continue to be annoyed by the "DV and SC Cleared Only" adverts you see on LinkedIn and other places, like they are some kind of badge holders. Obviously there are exceptions but 95% or more of such roles don't need clearance to apply for them, much less actually start work. It's just agencies being lazy (gosh...) or selling something they aren't actually allowed to sell.

Yep, but until HMG start taking action to clamp down on it, it will continue. There are no consequences for the agents, so no incentive not to do it.

[malvolio]

I do love the people who think SC cleared is a sensible thing to put on their LinkedIn profiles.

I continue to be annoyed by the "DV and SC Cleared Only" adverts you see on LinkedIn and other places, like they are some kind of badge holders. Obviously there are exceptions but 95% or more of such roles don't need clearance to apply for them, much less actually start work. It's just agencies being lazy (gosh...) or selling something they aren't actually allowed to sell.

[eek]

very much doubt you are going to get an answer. He's not allowed to tell you even if he did anyway

I do love the people who think SC cleared is a sensible thing to put on their linkedIn profiles.

[northernladuk]

did you get SC?

LeadingFrank
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Last Activity: 27 November 2020, 21:26

very much doubt you are going to get an answer. He's not allowed to tell you even if he did anyway