Reply to: Unemployed Britons ‘will take place of low‑skilled migrants’

[WTFH]

Do not forget these figures are calculated with out spending anything on the infrastructure. As has been pointed out previously you cannot let a city the size of Sheffield in and not address the infrastructure needs.

Sheffield: 582,000
Net migration: 283,000 (Sept 2018)

Should we just lock the doors, put up the barriers cause we're sinking?
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And is it 68million in England or 56? These fact things are really hard to grasp.

[eek]

Do not forget these figures are calculated with out spending anything on the infrastructure. As has been pointed out previously you cannot let a city the size of Sheffield in and not address the infrastructure needs.

Why not? we've been doing just that for the past 15 years....

[NigelJK]

Do not forget these figures are calculated with out spending anything on the infrastructure. As has been pointed out previously you cannot let a city the size of Sheffield in and not address the infrastructure needs.

[mos]

There's always this ridiculous idea touted that migrants only do the jobs that lazy Brits don't want to do. Competition does not work like that, taking in many foreign workers also impacts those that do want to work.

And why should manual workers in a fairly wealthy country have to compete with those from low wage economies anyway to subsidise the profits of business owners? They should get their fair share of the nation's wealth.

It beats me that people who view themselves as socialist are the ones promoting mass immigration. Leftist attitudes were a lot more sensible back in the 70s, the Labour party put British workers first and were very much against internationalism.

I agree that the idea of 'lazy Brits' which was used to pit them against 'desperate for work', 'low skilled' 'Poles' was very divisive, and contributed to such large numbers of native Britons voting for Brexit. Alongside over a million of recent Commonwealth immigrants whom Cameron gave vote in the EU referendum and who voted en mass in their best interest.

However another, equally ridiculous but equally popular notion that EU citizens are 'subsidised' by British taxpayers was debunked several years ago. Quite the opposite is the case, especially considering the impact on NHS. But the media chose not to talk about that.

Even if the immigration 'revolution' will stop the mass immigration , it does not follow that the protection for British workers would increase. Massive outsourcing of millions of traditional white collar jobs has contributed far more to the reduction of available job pool, and put more strain on what is considered a 'manual' work.

[LondonManc]

No its going to be all the contractors who won't take inside roles and will soon become unemployed

[LondonManc]

Probably the government will slightly raise the minimum wage and on the other hand will massively reduce/cut benefits and jsa.

Unemployed will either start working or starve to death.

Huzzah!!

Those able to work should work.

[adubya]

The new points based minimum salary requirements are above that of the starting salaries for nurses, radiographers and a host of other similar vocations. So are they all unskilled jobs that you can pick out an unemployed brexiteer from Wetherspoons to do instead ?

But if those jobs are in the "Job in a shortage occupation" category then that adds 20 points. If you can speak English and have a job offer/sponsorship from an employer then you have the necessary points score.

[PlanB]

The problem is maybe not as large as some people make out but it is a problem.

I live in a town with quite high unemployment in the southwest. HOWEVER, there are job constantly being advertised on local groups. There is a MAJOR infrastructure project in the way of a nuclear power station being build and we've created housing for 10000 migrant workers.

I suspect if I wanted to, I could get a local job tomorrow doing something.

So why do we have high unemployment? because people are moaning on those same groups that:

1. the hours don't suit them and they only want to work 930am to 3pm and childcare makes them no better off - no, it doesnt, but it means the tax payer isn't paying for you to sit at home
2. its manual labour and they might break a nail - Tough
3. They don't want to work shifts as they'll never see their partner - some of us don't see their partner mon-fr but we do it to earn money
4. It doesnt pay enough - well if migrants can live on it, it must be possible

It is that section of the unemployed that need to be made to go out to work. And yes, I think we are getting to the point where it is MAKE not encourage because encouragement and filling the hole with migrants is not working.

Why ship in low skilled workers when we have ANY unemployment in this country?

I can see at least one obvious flaw in your argument (there are other assumptions/fallacies).

Many migrants come for a few years, live in HMOs very cheaply, save as much money as possible then return home to buy land/a house outright as the currency / cost of living differential makes it worth it.

If I still had a mortgage and there was some other country where the wages were x10 higher than the UK and I could nail it for 5 years and move life on by 30 back home, you bet I and millions of others would be over there nailing it faster than you can say "auf wiedersehen pet".

Most people become incredibly motivated if they have a purpose, just doing some low wage zero hour contract job with no prospect of bettering yourself wouldn't make many people glad to get up in the morning and that would include all those hard working eastern Europeans everyone deifies.

[Zigenare]

No Rights Employee

If they want, they can employ me, that's why.

Fair enough, YMMV. I wish you luck.

[Scruff]

Why not? Your net rate would still be higher than a permies gross.

No Rights Employee

If they want, they can employ me, that's why.

[TestMangler]

The new points based minimum salary requirements are above that of the starting salaries for nurses, radiographers and a host of other similar vocations. So are they all unskilled jobs that you can pick out an unemployed brexiteer from Wetherspoons to do instead ?

[Naruto1]

If it was GDP that mattered, one would be much better off living in Bangladesh than Luxemburg. The failure of immigration to increase what is important, the GDP per capita, has been confirmed by a House of Lords committee.

I have taken offence at that comment. Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita than many other countries. According to WIKI, the IMF has Bangladesh at 136. Burundi would have been a better candidate at 184. Despite being occupied by the British and then by Pakistan , Bangladesh has done remarkably well and it's per capita income is better than Pakistan. If you look at India, 1INR = 1.18 BDT. India trades in Dollars with it's next door neighbour!

[ChimpMaster]

This plan by the governments fits in well with the changes to IR35.

Soon many thousands of ex-contractors (i.e. unemployed Britons) will be queueing up to take the place of low-skilled migrants.

Dibs on McDonalds - at least my lunch will be paid for.

[xoggoth]

How about those who do pull their fingers out not being discriminated against due to their names.
After all it isn't their fault their parents called them something like "Mohammed." Why your name matters in the search for a job - BBC News

Making it harder to get staff by reducing migration is likely to make it harder to discriminate against people like that.

[mookiemoo]

The problem is maybe not as large as some people make out but it is a problem.

I live in a town with quite high unemployment in the southwest. HOWEVER, there are job constantly being advertised on local groups. There is a MAJOR infrastructure project in the way of a nuclear power station being build and we've created housing for 10000 migrant workers.

I suspect if I wanted to, I could get a local job tomorrow doing something.

So why do we have high unemployment? because people are moaning on those same groups that:

1. the hours don't suit them and they only want to work 930am to 3pm and childcare makes them no better off - no, it doesnt, but it means the tax payer isn't paying for you to sit at home
2. its manual labour and they might break a nail - Tough
3. They don't want to work shifts as they'll never see their partner - some of us don't see their partner mon-fr but we do it to earn money
4. It doesnt pay enough - well if migrants can live on it, it must be possible

It is that section of the unemployed that need to be made to go out to work. And yes, I think we are getting to the point where it is MAKE not encourage because encouragement and filling the hole with migrants is not working.

Why ship in low skilled workers when we have ANY unemployment in this country?