Reply to: The best way to illustrate to HMRC what Lack of Moo means

[RetSet]

Should have gotten them to explain MoO to you while you were there

Thanks for that suggesion, although I'm happy to go with the explanations provided by Dave Smith and Anne Redston.

When I looked at the ESM, it tried to suggest that getting paid proved MOO. No, HMRC, getting paid is Consideration, which is an essential element of a Contract.

[northernladuk]

Yep, was there for about 18 months.
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Should have gotten them to explain MoO to you while you were there

[RetSet]

Has anyone here ever worked with HMRC (contractor or permie)? I would've thought it's not uninteresting work.

Yep, was there for about 18 months.

I got to see their internal news rag.

There really are inspectors who genuinely believe that all taxpayers are out to deliberarately underpay on taxes due.

Having said that, in subsequent issues, other inspectors took a more moderate view and called these tossers out as such, although not quite so directly.

[d000hg]

All in, this is wonderful news because it means that HMRC's systems will be a shambles for many years to come. Hopefully it'll slow them down in pestering the workforce and trying to implement the government's increasingly desperate and poorly thought out tax raids.

It'll also mean mistakes are more likely and getting them rectified takes longer.

[ChimpMaster]

All in, this is wonderful news because it means that HMRC's systems will be a shambles for many years to come. Hopefully it'll slow them down in pestering the workforce and trying to implement the government's increasingly desperate and poorly thought out tax raids.

[swamp]

Has anyone here ever worked with HMRC (contractor or permie)? I would've thought it's not uninteresting work.

Never worked there but their code is in public domain: https://github.com/hmrc

Most of their stuff is Scala which should make finding replacement developers quite tricky.

[malvolio]

Yes, same as most Gov contracts except it takes an absolute age to get in through the front door due to the excessive security.

It's a way in for someone who effectively knows nothing outside a home PC (i.e. 90% of school and Uni leavers...). A few more people offering (and taking on) such roles would eventually kill off the "skills shortage".

[EDIT] Ermm.... - Ignore me. Wrong thread.

[motoukenin]

Has anyone here ever worked with HMRC (contractor or permie)? I would've thought it's not uninteresting work.

Yes, same as most Gov contracts except it takes an absolute age to get in through the front door due to the excessive security.

[d000hg]

Has anyone here ever worked with HMRC (contractor or permie)? I would've thought it's not uninteresting work.

[malvolio]

Think what NYUK would do for the King's Shilling.

Ask his accountant what to do with it?

[vetran]

They'll have a Press Gang waiting outside the next CUK Christmas do, coshing people as they leave and hauling them off to permiedom in the Civil Service

Think what NLYUK would do for the King's Shilling.

[MrMarkyMark]

Haven't you read Tolley's IR 35 Defence Strategies? Haven't you read HMRC's Employment Status Manual?

Are you cut out to be a contractor?

Here's a piece about MOO for BrilloPad and everybody else who doesn't know:

IR35: Mutuality of Obligation: what it is and what it is not :: Contractor UK

Outside of the legal profession, the phrase "absence of Mutuality of Obligation" is now often used to mean something like "the absence of any obligation to provide and do further work when the current (relatively short term) piece of work which the worker is obliged to complete has come to an end"

Great link.

Obviously it would help if you had a Scooby as to what it actually means

[NigelJK]

(Read it yesterday) I particularly liked the bit about not working their notice ...

[Mordac]

Won't they just use this as an excuse to get in a consultancy firm and hire a load of Indians?

Of course they will, and they'll end up with a giant clustershag. And nobody will be willing to help dig them out of it. A scenario which will of course be widely repeated across the public sector. What's the betting they blame brexit...

[woohoo]

Won't they just use this as an excuse to get in a consultancy firm and hire a load of Indians?