Reply to: Government packages

[TestMangler]

Now then. I got my 10K grant, delivered silently to my business bank account, this morning. Noice !!!!

[Craig@Clarity]

Craig quoting himself? Is he succumbing to cabin fever? Not handling self isolation so well?

We are here to help!!!! Come lie down and tell doctor NLUK all about it.

The beer is drying up and I don't want to leave the house

[northernladuk]

What if the worker was employed for less than a year? How do you work out the claim?

Claim the average monthly earnings since they started.

Craig quoting himself? Is he succumbing to cabin fever? Not handling self isolation so well?

We are here to help!!!! Come lie down and tell doctor NLUK all about it.

[Craig@Clarity]

If the employee has been employed for the full 12 months prior to the claim then you use the higher of either:

the same month’s earnings from the previous year OR

average monthly earnings from the 2019-2020 tax year

What if the worker was employed for less than a year? How do you work out the claim?

Claim the average monthly earnings since they started.

[Craig@Clarity]

Isn't this open to someone modifying their February wage to a higher figure to gain more (from the 80%) by re-submitting it to HMRC now?

If the employee has been employed for the full 12 months prior to the claim then you use the higher of either:

the same month’s earnings from the previous year OR

average monthly earnings from the 2019-2020 tax year

[Phil Low]

Isn't this open to someone modifying their February wage to a higher figure to gain more (from the 80%) by re-submitting it to HMRC now?

[Phil Low]

Modifying wages

If the 80% is based on February payment, isn't this open to fiddling by resubmitting a higher figure for this month?

[tester552]

Why the 28th Feb ? What was the reason ?

Is it so people don't make up employees to claim extra ??

Who on the 1st March saw any of this coming ? Seems grossly unfair!

It is very unfair, yes.

However the scheme is going from March for an initial 3 months which means end of May at the moment. If you have any kind of termination notice period, like 2 weeks for example, that means April is mostly covered, so as per current status it's only a 2K "loss".

By the end of May things will change a lot, deaths will stabilize, we will hopefully have enough tests, enough ventillators, maybe a drug which helps a bit and people will be REALLY fed up with the lockdown.

So the topic will change to easing lockdown, trying to revive economy and living together with the virus on the long term.
And once lockdowns are eased interviews will start to happen.

Maybe the scheme gets a month or two extension, but I don't see them being able to maintain the scheme for more than 6 months total - I don't think anyone will work for years in the frontline while others get the same money while sitting at home.

IMO it is a game of somehow surviving April and May and then you won't lose too much. In the meantime use your anger as motivation to learn, go on hackerrank and practise etc., learn new skills etc., in the end this is what will bring $$$ in, not the government schemes.

In my opinion it might also be possible that as time goes they will shift the initial deadline, but the earliest date to announce that March is included is next week as you can submit march FPS to HMRC until 5th of April, so they can only announce anything like this only afterwards in order to avoid mass fraud.

[ladymuck]

I wonder how much fraud will happen around this area.

Lots.

The general law of "if I can, I will" is likely to apply

[dx4100]

The Government did use the most appropriate date for the cut off to avoid fraud which was February's payroll. If you are on February's payroll HMRC know where you are working, if you aren't it is too open to fraud.

Ok so its fraud drive you think - does make sense - while still being dreadfully unfair and unhelpful in these times.

I wonder how much fraud will happen around this area.

[Paralytic]

The Government did use the most appropriate date for the cut off to avoid fraud which was February's payroll. If you are on February's payroll HMRC know where you are working, if you aren't it is too open to fraud.

Will everyone who was employed at 28/2 be on a Feb payroll? What if someone started *on* 28/2? I wonder if they'll actually use March payroll as the indicator.

[PerfectStorm]

The Government did use the most appropriate date for the cut off to avoid fraud which was February's payroll. If you are on February's payroll HMRC know where you are working, if you aren't it is too open to fraud.

I think the "extra 4 weeks to complete your January self assessment return" opens that up quite spectacularly

[eek]

I get there needs to be a cut off - personal I think it should of been fair to use the date of the announcement was the fairest possible. Feels like that ship has sailed though. Doubt they will change it.

The Government did use the most appropriate date for the cut off to avoid fraud which was February's payroll. If you are on February's payroll HMRC know where you are working, if you aren't it is too open to fraud.

[dx4100]

Because, as with everything, there always has to be a cut off. Many organisations do payroll monthly so the last full month before the measure was announced is probably easier to manage, especially as that will be the last month for which returns will have been done.

I get there needs to be a cut off - personal I think it should of been fair to use the date of the announcement was the fairest possible. Feels like that ship has sailed though. Doubt they will change it.

[ladymuck]

Why the 28th Feb ? What was the reason ?

Is it so people don't make up employees to claim extra ??

Who on the 1st March saw any of this coming ? Seems grossly unfair!

Because, as with everything, there always has to be a cut off. Many organisations do payroll monthly so the last full month before the measure was announced is probably easier to manage, especially as that will be the last month for which returns will have been done.