Reply to: Contract rate surveys?

[SueEllen]

even anonymously about general market rates? I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

rates in the uk are public knowledge anyway (check any job board) - it's abroad which i was interested in. just a ballpark... is it the same as uk like america tends to be or a lot more/less?

]No they are not.


Lots of contract roles aren't advertised or only put on a job board with a fecked up rate, once the role has been secured by someone. Agents work in a cut throat market and so unless they have a client who is very fussy will often put jobs on boards when the role is just about to be secured by one of their candidates who they have approached in other ways. My last 3 agency acquired contracts weren't advertised on the job boards when they were available.

Rates in the US are varied. Remember the US is a massive country. Plus unless you are an US citizen don't bother trying.

[edison]

Have you ever seen a proper survey of contractor rates, or perhaps an index of some sort to compare with permie rates?

I think any such index would show a drop of contract rate compared to permie rates in the last 2-3 years. Of course permie rates have dropped too, for new recruiting.

Unless you are an Enterprise Architect it seems...

[CoblersClob]

Oh, that was quite deliberate.

No-one who is already in the business (and already knows the rates) wants to talk about them.

even anonymously about general market rates? I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here.

rates in the uk are public knowledge anyway (check any job board) - it's abroad which i was interested in. just a ballpark... is it the same as uk like america tends to be or a lot more/less?

[cojak]

Made a new thread for my specific skill/role but it's descended into a conversation about visas - sigh.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ntractors.html

Oh, that was quite deliberate.

No-one who is already in the business (and already knows the rates) wants to talk about them.

[cojak]

Nope because then people would lie and you would never know......

I would lie, my rates are nobodies business but mine.

[CoblersClob]

Cost of living in Switzerland and Norway is higher, and the tax structure is different.

So you would have to have a cost of living index plus an average (median) take home pay percentage next to every country to do a proper comparison.

Of course taxes and cost of living varies by location - you can adjust for that in your head. there's also the lifestyle issue of working away from home but no need to discuss this either

Made a new thread for my specific skill/role but it's descended into a conversation about visas - sigh.
http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ntractors.html

[SueEllen]

itjobswatch is pretty accurate i think but UK only.

is there anything for international? i.e. interested in looking at comparing europe's top end (switzerland/norway) with asia (tokyo, singa, hk).

Cost of living in Switzerland and Norway is higher, and the tax structure is different.

So you would have to have a cost of living index plus an average (median) take home pay percentage next to every country to do a proper comparison.

[eek]

Unless you could find a way to ask a group of people who work in the industry on an anonymous basis? ideas?

Nope because then people would lie and you would never know......

[CoblersClob]

As mentioned you will never get an accurate picture as advertised rate usually has no relationship to offer rate, and also does not take into consideration the privately negotiated extensions etc which have a rate bump etc

Unless you could find a way to ask a group of people who work in the industry on an anonymous basis? ideas?

[SimonMac]

As mentioned you will never get an accurate picture as advertised rate usually has no relationship to offer rate, and also does not take into consideration the privately negotiated extensions etc which have a rate bump etc

[northernladuk]

"or is it is a"
careful northernladuk, glass house, etc :-)

Need more than a glasshouse to stop me making a dick of myself!

EDIT: ....as I am about to demonstrate below in a short while.

[andyg]

Is this supposed to actually mean anything or is it is a jumble of random words we have to make sense of?

"or is it is a"
careful northernladuk, glass house, etc :-)

[northernladuk]

it is a great advantage of UK market that the rates are advertises.
In many markets is secretive so pricing is much more tricky.

Is this supposed to actually mean anything or is it is a jumble of random words we have to make sense of?

[yasockie]

it is a great advantage of UK market that the rates are advertises.
In many markets is secretive so pricing is much more tricky.

[CoblersClob]

itjobswatch is pretty accurate i think but UK only.

is there anything for international? i.e. interested in looking at comparing europe's top end (switzerland/norway) with asia (tokyo, singa, hk).


cheers.