Reply to: UAE Jobs (Dubai specifically)

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Got a relative who has been out in Dubai for a long time. It's not uncommon for brits to move out there with their families, have to take a massive loan out for a years rent in advance, then get told after a couple of weeks, sorry we don't need you. It's dog eat dog.

True say. The rent is a major issue if the job there is your only source of income.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

So, you are off to Dubai???

I'm giving a go! whether it will happen or not is another thing. And leaving Dubai doesn't mean I'll be leaving CUK.... unless there is Dubai version of it that I'm not aware of. Sorry to break it to you.

[_V_]

Good point - anyone who moves out there has got to consider the cuisine too.

I had sheep's eyes for dinner. They saw me through the night.

[Paralytic]

It's dog eat dog.

Good point - anyone who moves out there has got to consider the cuisine too.

[krytonsheep]

Got a relative who has been out in Dubai for a long time. It's not uncommon for brits to move out there with their families, have to take a massive loan out for a years rent in advance, then get told after a couple of weeks, sorry we don't need you. It's dog eat dog.

[Lance]

I agree in terms of Dubai being transiant and fake. You will never get a passport there. The issue I have is I'm getting tired of the way society and the country is going and there are no easy options. Canada/Aus has no family or friends in it (as well as being too far), Europe is out of the frying pan into the fire and the world on the whole is going to tulip.

I'll take my chances in Western Europe I think.
Paying tax to build a society that stand the test of time is a good thing surely?

We're having a blip right now, but that will pass. Democracy will ensure that. It's just a bit slow to react. By 2030 things will be far better, and then we can throw the Brexit loons in the bin as the electoral mandate will have died along with most of the racists (and the rest may piss off to Dubai as they love bigots out there - yes the irony of that statement is recognised).

Moving to Dubai is IMO short sighted. And the reasons you want to are selfish and deluded.


NOTE: Dubai is only 50 miles closer to London than New York is.... So how come Canada/US is too far?

[NotAllThere]

and what do your wife and kids think about such a great change in their lives?

Not a major issue.

So what they think isn't a major issue? Jolly good.

[northernladuk]

So, you are off to Dubai???

Ouuuuuch!

[eek]

I agree in terms of Dubai being transiant and fake. You will never get a passport there. The issue I have is I'm getting tired of the way society and the country is going and there are no easy options. Canada/Aus has no family or friends in it (as well as being too far), Europe is out of the frying pan into the fire and the world on the whole is going to tulip.

So, you are off to Dubai???

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

and what do your wife and kids think about such a great change in their lives?

Not a major issue.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Can't disagree with that at all. Sadly I'm too old to be bothered about starting again and not long enough left for it to bother me long term. But that said if I was bothered Dubai wouldn't be the place to go IMO. It's, dunno how to put it, very fake and transiant. It's not somewhere you are likely to live forever, would be fun but disruptive for a family. I'd be going somewhere decent to set down roots. Dubai is for a bit of fun/experience IMO, not for life. Particularly if you have kids they aren't growing up in, what the rest of the world would call, a home environment if you get me. Can't explain it properly. It's like living in the worlds biggest theme park for a bit. It's not real.

Example of somewhere else, some friends years ago moved to Kelowna in Canada and they haven't looked back. Few hours drive (or sub 1 hour plane) to skiiing to the east, beaches on the great lakes the other way, national parks on your door step, major cities in a few hours drive. Weather is better in summer but snowier in winter so not some blazing hell hole all year. Can enjoy the seaons. It just seems to have absolutely everything. Why people want to stay here when there are places like this on earth I have no idea. Australia doesn't appeal to me at all.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...4d-119.4960106

I agree in terms of Dubai being transiant and fake. You will never get a passport there. The issue I have is I'm getting tired of the way society and the country is going and there are no easy options. Canada/Aus has no family or friends in it (as well as being too far), Europe is out of the frying pan into the fire and the world on the whole is going to tulip.

[northernladuk]

I agree with you that if the move was purely about tax then it's not worth it. If that was the case I would consider other places. I have a lot of family in the region and I enjoy the culture (I am one of those that believe the UK culture is going downhill rapidly). I've been there many times and have a good feel for the lifestyle and the challenges (lots of pros and cons).

Can't disagree with that at all. Sadly I'm too old to be bothered about starting again and not long enough left for it to bother me long term. But that said if I was bothered Dubai wouldn't be the place to go IMO. It's, dunno how to put it, very fake and transiant. It's not somewhere you are likely to live forever, would be fun but disruptive for a family. I'd be going somewhere decent to set down roots. Dubai is for a bit of fun/experience IMO, not for life. Particularly if you have kids they aren't growing up in, what the rest of the world would call, a home environment if you get me. Can't explain it properly. It's like living in the worlds biggest theme park for a bit. It's not real.

Example of somewhere else, some friends years ago moved to Kelowna in Canada and they haven't looked back. Few hours drive (or sub 1 hour plane) to skiiing to the east, beaches on the great lakes the other way, national parks on your door step, major cities in a few hours drive. Weather is better in summer but snowier in winter so not some blazing hell hole all year. Can enjoy the seaons. It just seems to have absolutely everything. Why people want to stay here when there are places like this on earth I have no idea. Australia doesn't appeal to me at all.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...4d-119.4960106

[PCTNN]

I agree with you that if the move was purely about tax then it's not worth it. If that was the case I would consider other places. I have a lot of family in the region and I enjoy the culture (I am one of those that believe the UK culture is going downhill rapidly). I've been there many times and have a good feel for the lifestyle and the challenges (lots of pros and cons).

and what do your wife and kids think about such a great change in their lives?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

IMO moving to Dubai just for tax purposes is highly complicated and disruptive. If you are planning on this then you need to plan around the family first and tax second. As back breaking as the tax maybe putting tax before your family is the worst decision you can make. Many people become wealthy and have happy lives whatever our tax regime is. If you think the UK tax situation is going to make you miserable and ruin your way of life I think you need a reset and look at the bigger picture. No probs if you are desperate to emigrate for a better way of live but planning to be in Dubai just for tax is poor life planning.

Don't let the tax tail wag your life dog IMO. The fact all this thread is focussed on tax then I don't think you should be doing it and that you actually will.

I agree with you that if the move was purely about tax then it's not worth it. If that was the case I would consider other places. I have a lot of family in the region and I enjoy the culture (I am one of those that believe the UK culture is going downhill rapidly). I've been there many times and have a good feel for the lifestyle and the challenges (lots of pros and cons).

[Jolie]

A friend of mine has just been offered a move over to Dubai with 4 times his London salary. He has decided against it as too much of an upheaval ... but also because its just miles too hot over there for most of the year. Yes, all of the buildings are plush with nice air conditioning but it's very difficult to do anything outdoors for large parts of the year. My ex-big boss also moved over there 2 years ago and can't wait to get back to London. He was a bit of a party animal and says the social side of things is understandably rubbish in comparison to London. He has lost 2 stone.

Depends on what you like to do ... and when. Month for month in comparison, you have a lot more time to socialise outside in a hot country compared to London. Yes it gets too hot June-September, but outside of those months you can pretty much do anything outside.

What do you get in London? A few months of 20-22 degrees, and a week or two when it hit's 30+, and that's the daytime temps. The rest of the year it's too cold to do anything outside, especially in the evening. Here, you can comfortably sit outside, go to outside parties, restaurants, visit the beach and pool parties, go to theme parks, hiking (yes there are mountains here!) etc etc for 8 months of the year, without worrying about rain, wind, ice and snow.

There's a fantastic social scene here, most are very much young focused, but as I said before, it's not for everyone and I get that.