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Previously on "Working from European country on UK contract"
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Last edited by AndrewK; 14 June 2022, 17:51.
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Originally posted by Lance View Post
Are you drunk?
or just trolling?
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Originally posted by lackorol View Post
JUst remainder corp money behaves like your money, you can buy flat, house etc. even pay your food, its just inconvenient for small purchases because you need to take evidence. And most of my life I am hoarding cash there are no so big spendings I cant cover from personal conto. So I don't see here much point. You are double taxed only when you transfer from company to personal account. And who would do that?
or just trolling?
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
Stop calling me "mate", I am not your "mate".
This is a 0.1% scenario as everyone in this thread has pointed out. UK agents will not, on the whole, work with overseas contractors and vice versa. As someone who mainly works with overseas clients, I know a few things about working with overseas clients. I have never had an overseas client via an agency, it just doesn't happen, partly because of the type of work they deal with, which is more about resourcing projects with people (i.e., people and locations matter from the start), not about finding suppliers to deliver products or services (i.e., people and locations generally don't matter, except when there is a compliance angle).
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Originally posted by Lance View Post
you are not comparing the same things.
the umbrella taxes personal income and the remainder is yours to spend. all done. You keep 55%.
when you pay corporation tax ( no such thing as corporate income tax), it’s still the company’s money. To get out you need to take income and pay more tax on that.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View PostPoint 2 was still correct, you have the option of working from wherever you want without your clients knowledge..... but you're accepting the risk.
Your company insurance won't cover you.
But hey, if you've got £17.5million (or €20million depending on jurisdiction), then you can afford the fine.
That's why some of us sit through repeated courses on data protection, processing, sovereignty, etc, which have to be signed off, after sitting tests, to say that we understand and fully comply, and we have quite high levels of business insurance.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
It's been made clear to me that this is not correct. You cannot do this without permission due to agreements within your client that are not documented in their policies.
Point 2 was still correct, you have the option of working from wherever you want without your clients knowledge..... but you're accepting the risk.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
It's been made clear to me that this is not correct. You cannot do this without permission due to agreements within your client that are not documented in their policies.
Point 2 was still correct, you have the option of working from wherever you want without your clients knowledge..... but you're accepting the risk.
As for the rest - you are a contractor being brought in to do a piece of work - I doubt you average end client / agency is going to care enough about Data Sovereignty to give the contractor the policies given that they've been led to believe the contractor is in the UK..Last edited by eek; 7 June 2022, 15:10.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostYou can but if you have to hide it from the client then something is wrong.
Point 2 was still correct, you have the option of working from wherever you want without your clients knowledge..... but you're accepting the risk.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
I thought as long as you follow the policies and agreements, you could go wherever you want.
I am told that is not the case. Even if you're 100% within the scope of all agreements and client policies, there could still be an issue with a customer agreement about data protection or something. If that's the case. I am wrong with point 2.
This does confuse me though. If I have to comply with unwritten rules that sit outside of policy documents and agreements, what other trouble am I setting myself up for? Organisations should be more explicit about what you can and what you cannot do, I don't think its possible to document everything you can't do though?
My whole assumption was that if you follow the rules, you can work from somewhere in the EEA (with a UK client). Clearly following the rules is not enough, you need explicit agreements on location.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
So absolutely nothing to do with option 2 you put about not telling them and hiding your tracks then. You are right in everything you've said so far but all of that has been completely different to 'You don't tell your clients where you are based and you take relevant SecOps precautions to make sure nobody finds out.' Thats the point people are trying to make to you.
I am told that is not the case. Even if you're 100% within the scope of all agreements and client policies, there could still be an issue with a customer agreement about data protection or something. If that's the case. I am wrong with point 2.
This does confuse me though. If I have to comply with unwritten rules that sit outside of policy documents and agreements, what other trouble am I setting myself up for? Organisations should be more explicit about what you can and what you cannot do, I don't think its possible to document everything you can't do though?
My whole assumption was that if you follow the rules, you can work from somewhere in the EEA (with a UK client). Clearly following the rules is not enough, you need explicit agreements on location.Last edited by ConsultingTechArchitect; 7 June 2022, 14:45.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
I can operate 100% in compliance with my agreements and the clients written policies. If this is not enough, then I concede you are correct and working abroad only works with explicit permission from all concerned parties.
I do not know my clients customers agreements with my clients. I only know their data lives in the EEA due to the locations of various Oracle SaaS systems. If my clients customer does not agree with EEA data, then my client isn't compliant I guess.
I've never had a problem telling clients I will be abroad at various times. Maybe I have been very very lucky.
"that you as a contractor looking into the company would never see."
maybe you need to work in more strategic role rather than just keeping a seat warm.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
Does it need to be said that I am not telling people to NOT use their common sense.
Obviously if your clients data policies have strong data sovereignty rules, you should follow them otherwise you are a walking data breach. There are plenty of organisations that don't demand their data is kept in the UK. It depends on the client, industry etc.
I don't work in intelligence or public sector, I work with clients who often have their data spread across SaaS applications based in various parts of the world. You can't say you don't want your data to leave the UK when it's hosted on a SaaS app in the EEA or US.
Just because a client has its data not on UK soil they can still mandate no work or data goes abroad. It's about management of risk.
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Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View PostMore attempts to avoid answering the question
As before you started talking about yourself in the last 5 posts that is what you suggested the OP did in post 30
Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
2. You don't tell your clients where you are based and you take relevant SecOps precautions to make sure nobody finds out.
and then again in post 36
Originally posted by ConsultingTechArchitect View Post
You can abstractly lump clients and agents into the same bucket here - all must be happy or unaware.
Everybody in your contractual chain must be happy, or unaware, of the arrangement.
And all this comes from a single point - few agencies will accept people working overseas because they don't want the hassle and the risk.
And by suggesting to the OP that they try to hide their true location to the agency / end client all you are doing is adding risk and potentially an awful lot of hassle.
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