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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostCouple of times I have contracted direct were a real eye opener trying to get paid. Like it or not agents do serve a purpose for most of us.
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostIn my current (soon to end) role I am not sure if the think I am a consultant or contractor. Normally it is academic although a previous client started wanting me to do things like three days work in a fortnights time not realising I wasn't getting paid in the interim was a pain up until the point I got a better paid full time contract and waved them goodbye.
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostActually more to do with the naivety of Human Remains and the way agencies sell themselves. Pick one at random and read their website. They all have loads of fully qualified staff on their books ready to fill any role you are likely to ask for. The fact that they don't even look at their own database first but go straight to JobServe somehow doesn't appear.
I've lost count of how many clients thought that they were using a consultancy and I was one of their staff.
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Couple of times I have contracted direct were a real eye opener trying to get paid. Like it or not agents do serve a purpose for most of us.
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostNever really understood (and still don't) the point of agencies from the side of the client. Yeah as contractors we are forced to use them because that's the hand that is given to us. Seems like a profession that exists just for the sake of it. If the agency is peeling £75-£100 off my rate - that's 18-25k a year the company could have saved if they found me themselves. And this is just 1 contractor! Could have just found someone else to do full time recruitment for that money.
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Actually more to do with the naivety of Human Remains and the way agencies sell themselves. Pick one at random and read their website. They all have loads of fully qualified staff on their books ready to fill any role you are likely to ask for. The fact that they don't even look at their own database first but go straight to JobServe somehow doesn't appear.
I've lost count of how many clients thought that they were using a consultancy and I was one of their staff.
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostNever really understood (and still don't) the point of agencies from the side of the client. Yeah as contractors we are forced to use them because that's the hand that is given to us. Seems like a profession that exists just for the sake of it. If the agency is peeling £75-£100 off my rate - that's 18-25k a year the company could have saved if they found me themselves. And this is just 1 contractor! Could have just found someone else to do full time recruitment for that money.
Agencies exist for a reason. Or do you think clients like paying more money?
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Originally posted by cannon999 View PostNever really understood (and still don't) the point of agencies from the side of the client. Yeah as contractors we are forced to use them because that's the hand that is given to us. Seems like a profession that exists just for the sake of it. If the agency is peeling £75-£100 off my rate - that's 18-25k a year the company could have saved if they found me themselves. And this is just 1 contractor! Could have just found someone else to do full time recruitment for that money.
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostWe go through this with agents once in a while. I agree some of them don't help themselves and contractors have a love/hate relationship with them (no doubt reciprocated) but they also are the best mechanism for most of us to get contracts and they have to pay our invoices potentially a couple of months before they get paid.
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View PostThey got to make money i suppose given that they have chosen that line of work. But it is not a business that i could do with a clear conscience. The business of being a blood sucking parasite.
In my experience many clients consider the contractors as blood-sucking parasites, and agents just as a means to find the right one.
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We go through this with agents once in a while. I agree some of them don't help themselves and contractors have a love/hate relationship with them (no doubt reciprocated) but they also are the best mechanism for most of us to get contracts and they have to pay our invoices potentially a couple of months before they get paid.
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Originally posted by Fraidycat View PostI wasnt lecturing anyone, just saying how i saw things. You seem to be the one who wants to lecture others on what words they should not be using.
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostDoesn't change the fact that you clearly do not understand a £27bn a year business. So don't lecture those that do.Last edited by Fraidycat; 17 January 2021, 15:41.
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