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Previously on "State of the Market"

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Tip of the day : By default, all roles are inside IR35, whether it is mentioned or not. It is only OUTSIDE IR35 if it explicitly states this, and maybe not even then
    FTFY

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  • Destiny2
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    Tip of the day : By default, all roles are inside IR35, whether it is mentioned or not. It is only OUTSIDE IR35 if it explicitly states this.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    When i started about 14 years ago recruitment was changing from something you could have mutually beneficial relationships with agents with to being almost fully transactional. That might be reversing a bit at the moment.

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  • edison
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.
    Three of my first five gigs over a six year period came through the same agency, two of which were the same agent. This agent then went to set up on his own and I've since got another gig via someone I met at that agency. Judging by my network on LinkedIn there has been a massive churn of recruiters in the last 6-9 months swapping firms - it's a very incestuous industry.

    My perception is agents (mainly at larger agencies) don't care so much who they get to fit most roles as it's a numbers game for them. As you go higher up the day rate scale, it appears they put a bit more effort into it and there's a bit more mutual relationship building and networking. That's only my experience, YMMV.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    Most of my coterie of friendly agents got wiped out during lockdown but the agent I got my last pre-lockdown contract through found me a few things that kept the wolf from the door.

    In the process of rebuilding my circle of contacts at the moment. From where I am sitting the Christmas slow down started in about October but things picked up in about the second week of January.

    Just need to get something over the line now.

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by eek View Post

    Given some of the tricks I’ve seen and heard be pulled I wouldn’t be rushing to take an outside IR35 contract unless I knew all the parties involved.

    there are some nasty tricks being pulled and a clawback t&c is something I would avoid.
    do we have a thread running on that?

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  • edison
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    To prove that sometimes there is an exception to every rule I have an interview tomorrow for a contract that I first had conversations about at the beginning of December before it got 'paused' so once in a while these things come back to life.
    Exactly - I started a gig last week after having the first chat with the agent at the start of Nov last year. It was 'very urgent' then and that was after they had been looking to get someone since August/September! I kept having to chase the agent (it was complicated further by another party being involved as well as the end client) and it paid off.

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by Bluenose View Post

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills
    The number of people we've seen that said that and are now in inside gigs.....

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  • PerfectStorm
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    Originally posted by Lance View Post

    make sure you have defence companies in your diversified portfolio.
    Or even better, 'attack' companies

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  • mookiemoo
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.

    Yes..... There is one agency I've worked with a few times and if they know I'm available and a role is suitable, I get a call before they even go to market. My current role is exactly that scenario. They knew I was available, the role came in, I got called, was the sole interviewee and I started the gig two days later.

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Bluenose View Post

    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills
    make sure you have defence companies in your diversified portfolio.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by Bluenose View Post

    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills
    Given some of the tricks I’ve seen and heard be pulled I wouldn’t be rushing to take an outside IR35 contract unless I knew all the parties involved.

    there are some nasty tricks being pulled and a clawback t&c is something I would avoid.

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    The market is dry in my line of work. My old client has a few openings. When I worked with them, it was inside IR35 but came with a 1 month notice. If I ring up, they will take me back in a heartbeat! Do I take it or do I wait until the market improves?
    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills

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  • Destiny2
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    The market is dry in my line of work. My old client has a few openings. When I worked with them, it was inside IR35 but came with a 1 month notice. If I ring up, they will take me back in a heartbeat! Do I take it or do I wait until the market improves?

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.
    the problem here, generally speaking of course, is that said pimp usually moves role and/or company and specialises in a different area.

    for example there were plenty of pimps in the devops and cloud space that moved on last year because the contract work dried up.

    many of them moved into internal corporate HR roles.

    would also add that what i do now is very different to what i did 10 years ago (showing my age now) and past pimps cant get me the work i need now but they are fun to keep in touch with.

    in terms of the market there are confirmed stories of being offered contract roles with a single stage interview for 15 minutes and offered same day for outside IR35 roles.

    this is a complete turn around from early 2019, looks like the 3-year contracting bear market has come to an end - for now.
    Last edited by Bluenose; 24 January 2022, 13:34.

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