Originally posted by SueEllen
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Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
90% of the clients you have had in your roles.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
And to add to that there is nothing wrong with the contractor working hours being aligned with the clients out of professional courtesy and need. No good a contractor dictating their own hours when they are a part of a team on shift or service desk hours.
They also expect a 'professional working day' of effort for every day paid.
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Originally posted by WTFH View Post
Not at all. You picked up on the term "working hours", thinking you were being smart and talking about an employer's working hours. A contractor can also have working hours, such as deciding on a Friday to start at 7:30am, taking the dog for lunchtime walks, and rejecting meeting requests when they don't suit my working hours.
Just because a term means something to you doesn't mean it has the same meaning to everyone else, and remember, the person who originally used the term was talking about her choice of working hours, so your attempted gotcha kinda backfired in your face.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Classic moving of the goalposts. My response was to the term 'Working hours', which points to employment.
If someone came on here and said they switched off their phone at 5pm you and the other clowns on here who think they're some kind of authority would be shouting 'sockie' or some other nonsense term at them.
No-one here would say turning your phone off at 5pm was a bad thing. However, if you turn off your phone at 5pm but you've agreed with your client to be on call until 8pm then that would be a bad thing.
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Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Classic moving of the goalposts. My response was to the term 'Working hours', which points to employment.
Just because a term means something to you doesn't mean it has the same meaning to everyone else, and remember, the person who originally used the term was talking about her choice of working hours, so your attempted gotcha kinda backfired in your face.
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Originally posted by WTFH View Post
Do you know the difference between what you want to consider working hours and what the client considers it to be?
If I have fulfilled my contractual duties and turn off the phone at 2pm, then I can do that as a contractor.
Employees are expected to work the hours their employer tells them, and may be expected to be contactable outside those hours.
It's a big difference, but you don't get it, do you?
If someone came on here and said they switched off their phone at 5pm you and the other clowns on here who think they're some kind of authority would be shouting 'sockie' or some other nonsense term at them.
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Originally posted by d000hg View Post
I'm not really concerned for my privacy or my device just not sure how I feel being directed what I have to do with my personal device.
Of course if the client is of the view "it's only if you WANT" work stuff on your phone it because something of a non-issue. I don't mind the odd message or email out of work hours but it's no skin off my nose if I can't. It's handy my phone gives me reminders before/after the work day of meetings tomorrow I suppose.
But as has been said, if you want BYOD access without compromising your kit, get a PAYG burner. It's not like they're expensive, and they are reusable.
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Originally posted by SimonMac View PostI am guessing you are being asked to install InTune (sounds like you are a MS house), it will get some details about your device, model number, OS version etc.
It will get access to the apps from the company app store you install but nothing else
Of course if the client is of the view "it's only if you WANT" work stuff on your phone it because something of a non-issue. I don't mind the odd message or email out of work hours but it's no skin off my nose if I can't. It's handy my phone gives me reminders before/after the work day of meetings tomorrow I suppose.
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I am guessing you are being asked to install InTune (sounds like you are a MS house), it will get some details about your device, model number, OS version etc.
It will get access to the apps from the company app store you install but nothing else
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Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
I have no issue with authenticator apps; I have two (MS and Google) already. That's no different, in my view, to carrying around those little RSA key fob things that used to generate a number for VPN authentication (and other stuff). I wouldn't expect a client to demand lock down of your phone using their MDM solution to run that.
Intune/Azure AD will not allow admins to MDM control the authenticator app for this reason.
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Originally posted by d000hg View Post
The only mandatory app I have is an authenticator required to access VPNs. I haven't asked if I can run that on an unsecured phone
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostI don't want to be contacted outside working hours so I'd be interested to know what it is that the client thinks I need to install in order to fulfil my contractual duties.Originally posted by ensignia View Post
Thought we were all independent contractors on here, and not disguised employees
If I have fulfilled my contractual duties and turn off the phone at 2pm, then I can do that as a contractor.
Employees are expected to work the hours their employer tells them, and may be expected to be contactable outside those hours.
It's a big difference, but you don't get it, do you?
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostI don't want to be contacted outside working hours so I'd be interested to know what it is that the client thinks I need to install in order to fulfil my contractual duties.
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