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[sal]

If this is a bank this is your last opportunity to coin it as a contractor

Contracting dead in the Finance sector

There will be jobs but not as a contractor for a bank.

Therefore ask nicely for a business class and a bit more money or an exemption but just say yes when they refuse, and focus on looking for new opportunities.

I will give them 6-12m for their projects to completely tank, then they will swiftly reconsider and go down a sensible road like RBS and plethora of public sector organisations which actually bother to "apply" the regulations, instead of side stepping them.

New challenger banks like Monzo and Starling are gaining momentum based on streamlined IT and if the old behemoths want to remain relevant, they will need a lot of investment in IT transformation. GL achieving anything positive with permies.

On the main topic - I would at least demand 1 day per flight if it's 8h+, longer hours over there are OK if less than 12, that's why it's day rate after all. Weekend work I would expect remuneration as per the contract.

Keep in mind that in the light of the situation, they might find you replaceable and terminate you contract on the spot, should you refuse to go on the trip, so weight in that risk/cost as well.

[BR14]

Scary stuff

depends if you scare easily

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

If this is a bank this is your last opportunity to coin it as a contractor

Contracting dead in the Finance sector

There will be jobs but not as a contractor for a bank.

Therefore ask nicely for a business class and a bit more money or an exemption but just say yes when they refuse, and focus on looking for new opportunities.

Scary stuff

[BlasterBates]

If this is a bank this is your last opportunity to coin it as a contractor

Contracting dead in the Finance sector

There will be jobs but not as a contractor for a bank.

Therefore ask nicely for a business class and a bit more money or an exemption but just say yes when they refuse, and focus on looking for new opportunities.

[GhostofTarbera]

Travel Time

Get together with all other people they plan to send over and agree between yourselves a collective approach

Business class
Paid travel
ToIL
8 hour days
Accommodation + food etc

Then present that to management as what you all would be prepared to accept

Same approach if just you


What is economy class ?

[DeludedKitten]

Hi

So clientco has decided to throw out all its contractors and go with SI's only from July 1st. I'm one of the "lucky" ones with an extension until end of October.

Today, the project sponsor suggests the SI team and I go to Asia for a week (16 hours door to door each way) to meet with the support team whom will support the system when our project goes live.

Enquiring a little further I'm told that all travel will be

(a) Economy.
(b) At weekends on my own time.
(c) At my own expense to reimburse from the company.
(d) No travel time or TOIL
(e) Long days in Asia where they do the Asia day and spill over into european time.

There is nothing in my contract re foreign travel and no chance of a renewal in November.

So, I'm looking for advice on whether to suck it up or say sorry but this is not reasonable and push for 2 days invoicing.

Thanks - iguy.

No chance.

The only thing in the list that I'd accept is that I'd sort my own travel and expense it back (depending on invoice terms).

Economy to Asia - no thanks. It's a long way to be squished in, unless you are tiny. If I've been in economy for any length of time, I need longer to recover and catch up.

Weekends - OK but I'll charge for the time. I'm travelling for them, not for me. It's work.

Long days - depends how long the day is. I've worked 11am to 9pm and a bit longer to cover the time changes.

Tell them that you'd love to do it, but...

[Old Greg]

Hi

So clientco has decided to throw out all its contractors and go with SI's only from July 1st. I'm one of the "lucky" ones with an extension until end of October.

Today, the project sponsor suggests the SI team and I go to Asia for a week (16 hours door to door each way) to meet with the support team whom will support the system when our project goes live.

Enquiring a little further I'm told that all travel will be

(a) Economy.
(b) At weekends on my own time.
(c) At my own expense to reimburse from the company.
(d) No travel time or TOIL
(e) Long days in Asia where they do the Asia day and spill over into european time.

There is nothing in my contract re foreign travel and no chance of a renewal in November.

So, I'm looking for advice on whether to suck it up or say sorry but this is not reasonable and push for 2 days invoicing.

Thanks - iguy.

Book that week off as leave (or unavailable if you prefer).

[cojak]

It’s paying out of my own pocket and then possibly (probably?) have to wait until November for the company reimburse me that I would object to.

You’re going to clock up £1-2K+ you know.

[SussexSeagull]

Depends on how much you want the work until October and how confident you are about finding something else (or not being bothered if you don't). Don't know how long you have been there but it might be an extension too far?

Having to sort your own flights out suggests doesn't exactly suggest they are planning to look after you out there.

That said, if you fancy the adventure then why not?

[northernladuk]

Ugh. Just me then..

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

I’d politely tell them to stick it. I’d walk if they continue to be unreasonable. Your time is valuable - just as much out of hours of you have family. They are taking liberties expecting your time for free.

[ladymuck]

Me being me, I'd get ClientCo to cover economy and then travel in first. I would not travel that distance without charging for it.

[NotAllThere]

i hate myself, but have to agree with basel brush here.
in fact, i'd just tell them to shove it up their corporate arse.

Boom! Boom!

[BR14]

If everyone is going economy, then you might live with that if you are paid:
1. 8 hours of every day (or part thereof) away from home, but not working
2. hourly for every work day (I'm assuming you're on an hourly contract, not Professional Working Day).

That'd be my minimum position. The project sponsor is not just being unreasonable, he's being an idiotic unreasonable arse.

i hate myself, but have to agree with basel brush here.
in fact, i'd just tell them to shove it up their corporate arse.

[meridian]

Hi

So clientco has decided to throw out all its contractors and go with SI's only from July 1st. I'm one of the "lucky" ones with an extension until end of October.

Today, the project sponsor suggests the SI team and I go to Asia for a week (16 hours door to door each way) to meet with the support team whom will support the system when our project goes live.

Enquiring a little further I'm told that all travel will be

(a) Economy.
(b) At weekends on my own time.
(c) At my own expense to reimburse from the company.
(d) No travel time or TOIL
(e) Long days in Asia where they do the Asia day and spill over into european time.

There is nothing in my contract re foreign travel and no chance of a renewal in November.

So, I'm looking for advice on whether to suck it up or say sorry but this is not reasonable and push for 2 days invoicing.

Thanks - iguy.

I suspect we’re with the same Clientco....

Short haul maybe suck it up. But flying halfway around the world for a handover to the support team? 2 days invoicing is the least they can do.