IR35 PS - So anyone had the discussion yet?

[BigRed]

Just had an agent discuss a public sector role and after my initial reaction of not interested they said they recognised that there were potential problems which they were sure could be circumvented but they were prepared to offer approx. 30% increase on the previous normal rate. It could be a good gamble.

[BigRed]

Just had an agent discuss a public sector role and after my initial reaction of not interested they said they recognised that there were potential problems which they were sure could be circumvented but they were prepared to offer approx. 30% increase on the previous normal rate. It could be a good gamble.

[northernladuk]

Just had an agent discuss a public sector role and after my initial reaction of not interested they said they recognised that there were potential problems which they were sure could be circumvented but they were prepared to offer approx. 30% increase on the previous normal rate. It could be a good gamble.

Hmm something doesn't sound right there...and I don't mean the Echo.

[BigRed]

sorry about the echo, don't know what happened there. They are offering rates in the North which are at least £50 above what I'd expect for any role outside London and £100+ on what I'd expect from a Public Sector role.

[northernladuk]

sorry about the echo, don't know what happened there. They are offering rates in the North which are at least £50 above what I'd expect for any role outside London and £100+ on what I'd expect from a Public Sector role.

I'd just check your expectations. My last PS client was offering very good rates. Almost the most I've been on and could argue at, if not more than market rate. Surprised me at the time but there were other agencies offering the same. That said there were also some pretty derisory rates for other PS clients as you might have thought.

I'm just surprised you question the PS situation and suddenly they offer 30% more. Doesn't sound like the way an agent would deal with this. They don't know what's happening yet so can't see why they would offer this option,.particularly if the are confident the legislation wouldn't apply.

[pscont]

Had a chat with my agency. They said it is still too early but in general there are a few options:

client use the new HMRC tool and deem you outside by it. In fact the agent said they have see the tool and it will mostly put people outside. I find this hard to believe, even more so for the final tool's version. Use of the tool is not mandatory and they will need to find a solid legal document from client that the tool was used and result was 'outside'

Client don't use the tool and deem you outside. Simple but still need solid justification from the client. Agency were reluctant when I asked 'if this is the case, are you happy to keep going as normal?' I think they are afraid of tax/nic liability.

Client deems you inside. Then there will most likely be a rate review to increase it so you get net roughly the same as now. A no go for me due to retrospective grab.

So this is where we are: as clear as mud.

[eek]

Had a chat with my agency. They said it is still too early but in general there are a few options:

client use the new HMRC tool and deem you outside by it. In fact the agent said they have see the tool and it will mostly put people outside. I find this hard to believe, even more so for the final tool's version. Use of the tool is not mandatory and they will need to find a solid legal document from client that the tool was used and result was 'outside'

Client don't use the tool and deem you outside. Simple but still need solid justification from the client. Agency were reluctant when I asked 'if this is the case, are you happy to keep going as normal?' I think they are afraid of tax/nic liability.

Client deems you inside. Then there will most likely be a rate review to increase it so you get net roughly the same as now. A no go for me due to retrospective grab.

So this is where we are: as clear as mud.

So we don't know but hope you will stay. Please stay, please, please stay

[BoredBloke]

Had a chat with my agency. They said it is still too early

Obviously...I mean the rules don't come in for another 41 working days....plenty of time to sort out a solution!

[northernladuk]

Obviously...I mean the rules don't come in for another 41 working days....plenty of time to sort out a solution!

'Senior' recruiter at Hays popped up on my Linkedin this morning asking for a 'Plain English guide to the IR35 regulations'

I'd be very worried if I was in the PS via Hays right now..... Just adding to the problem, not helping at all.

[MrMarkyMark]

'Senior' recruiter at Hays popped up on my Linkedin this morning asking for a 'Plain English guide to the IR35 regulations'

I'd be very worried if I was in the PS via Hays right now..... Just adding to the problem, not helping at all.

Hays