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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostI worked for HMRC in Telford via Capgemini. I joined as a permie. I was fed up being a contractor - always getting the problem projects right when they've turned into a bloodbath; never included in any strategic elements.
Predictably I didn't care for permiedom (more specifically the toxic wasteland known as the Aspire Contract) and left after a year. But I made a shed load of cash, even with having to rent a flat out of my own taxed pocket. From that one year I have a £23000 Capgemini pension pot.
They were charging me out a touch over £1000 a day so there was plenty of scope to give me a fat salary, bonus, pension etc etc
If more work comes their way because of IR35, the SIs will be out there waving their cheque books, no problem..
Oh and while some of my contracts have been blood baths others have been nice and easy..."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostWhich is great. Those that really can't cut it will be off the market leaving the way open for people that can do it properly. But I don't think many will either.Comment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostI guess it depends on the contractor. If they have hopped between NHS contracts all their career they might struggle to go anywhere else.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostYou have pointed out another of the main differences between contractors and permies. For this reason along consultancies have difficulties recruiting people and keeping them.
The bloke who owned the business told me that he didn't care in the slightest whether his consultants chose to be permie or contract. It was up to them to choose.
When I joined Capgemini, they had estimated they needed - I dunno - ten programme managers, plus loads of other roles. So they went out and got people, and I got assigned into a pool waiting for something to do. HMRC failed to initiate all the £000m of forecast projects so in due course Capgemini sought to let surplus people go. It cost them a bit to get rid of me but I made them a significant profit on the work I did do. It struck me they were used to this kind of resource management.
In the SI world people are coming and going all the time. Often you find the small number of SMEs who are important because of their domain knowledge are contractors. Most roles rely on people picking stuff up quickly. It doesn't make much difference whether you are a permie or a contractor. You're dropped in somewhere and you have to make a fist of it.
If SIs see a load more roles coming their way and they have to use permies (who might have been contractors until recent tax complications), I doubt their processes will even miss a beat.
Contractors (turned permie) will be able to make a nice living (including flexible working and generous pension schemes). They'll just have to put up with 360 degree performance assessments, personal improvement plans and week long courses in French chateaux)"Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBut then are they not the perfect reason for the change and for this group the legislation does exactly what it was supposed to?Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostBut then are they not the perfect reason for the change and for this group the legislation does exactly what it was supposed to?
And it's not doctors, who can fight their own battles, nor just nurses but lab staff and other back-office skilled technical staff that nobody ever notices. If you're a qualified and registered Microbiologist for example (which takes nearly as long as it does to be come an MD, incidentally), flitting off elsewhere is not a simple option.
This is not about top end IT contractors, sadly, there is a much wider context driving this.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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I was asked an interesting question by a PS client just now...... will this effect their 'casual professional help'.
This body uses small one man band companies for things like.. heating services, plumbing repairs, servicing lifts, gardening and the like. The type of "Bobs Plumbing Services" you see in the phone book.
Will this effect them using this type of company? Sometimes they are working for the PS company for a day or 2, and generally the hourly rate means it goes above the 220 day limit.Comment
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Originally posted by jonnyboy View PostI was asked an interesting question by a PS client just now...... will this effect their 'casual professional help'.
This body uses small one man band companies for things like.. heating services, plumbing repairs, servicing lifts, gardening and the like. The type of "Bobs Plumbing Services" you see in the phone book.
Will this effect them using this type of company?
Then again, so can we, if only we were asked to...Blog? What blog...?Comment
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They sound outside ir35 unless they are on premises, fixing lifts 9-5 everyday under the PS control. This is what the tests should work out for youComment
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