Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[northernladuk]

Yes, because the market is dripping with them.

If people can't cut it....

If you're currently outside, the determination by the PSB is outside, your working practices and contract are both deemed outside and you have QDOS or similar IR35 insurance, I don't see the problem. You are absolutely top of the tree and there are thousands of contractors who will be low-hanging fruit.

The low-hanging fruit will be:
1/ Those that were outside and are now inside; same gig. HMRC will perceive it as high reward, given the potential for retrospective tax.

2/ Brand new outside; quick prod to check that working practices and contract are compliant with the determination.

Unless they're going to take extra staff on, they will be busy with those for years, particularly the type 1s.

But he isn't in that situation. Not a chance in hell he was outside before. On that alone he should have left. He's admitted his client knows nothing about IR35 and just wants bodies on project. Part & Parcel, D&C, not RoS, nothing. You could argue exactly what the HMRC are after and the root of the problems they are having. Now he's trying to put some ticks in boxes to make whatever car crash he's on look remotely viable. Part of the problem before and I can't see how doing this is going to make him any less of the next problem. IMO this is what low hanging fruit should look like to HMRC and I'm shocked his client is willing to take these risks.

[LondonManc]

If people can't cut it....

Nothing to do with it and you know it. There aren't enough private sector gigs at any day rate to take up the slack.

[northernladuk]

Nothing to do with it and you know it. There aren't enough private sector gigs at any day rate to take up the slack.

True enough I guess but I just don't understand why people are so unable/unwilling to leave the NHS or PS (whichever someone said awhile ago) and are having to go to such desperate and risky lengths. There are other PS gigs out there that are run properly and can be evidenced through more than some paperwork they are outside.

[RonBW]

True enough I guess but I just don't understand why people are so unable/unwilling to leave the NHS or PS (whichever someone said awhile ago) and are having to go to such desperate and risky lengths. There are other PS gigs out there that are run properly and can be evidenced through more than some paperwork they are outside.

Where does a social worker work if not public sector? Supply teacher? Peripatetic music teacher? Locum doctor? Counsellor?

Show me where the private sector has oodles of roles for people to jump into from public sector

[northernladuk]

Where does a social worker work if not public sector? Supply teacher? Peripatetic music teacher? Locum doctor? Counsellor?

Show me where the private sector has oodles of roles for people to jump into from public sector

Ah well.. Erm.. Yes. There is that. But they are all inside anyway?

[LondonManc]

True enough I guess but I just don't understand why people are so unable/unwilling to leave the NHS or PS (whichever someone said awhile ago) and are having to go to such desperate and risky lengths. There are other PS gigs out there that are run properly and can be evidenced through more than some paperwork they are outside.

What skills could a commodities and derivatives business analyst take to the NHS?
Bear in mind, that they're only called business analyst because it's a closer match than the titles project manager, tester and developer and that the person isn't actually trained to be a business analyst?

Not all skills are transferrable across industry.

Not only that but there is the rank hypocrisy in there whereby in the past you've talked about contractors being specialists; if you're a BA with pressure ulcer specialism, what have you got to offer in an insurance gig compared to an insurance or other FS BA? You're bottom of the queue. Sorry, but you've got this one completely wrong or are going against all your previous diatribes on the subject of contracting.

[eek]

ah well.. Erm.. Yes. There is that. But, surely, they really have always been inside?

ftfy hthbidi

[bobspud]

Ah well.. Erm.. Yes. There is that. But they are all inside anyway?

Nope...

We had a social worker on here not long ago that had won an investigation... Potentially they would now be caught.

Your problem is you are only thinking (barely) about IT and are forgetting the point that many of the rates that Businesses and Government departments have come to enjoy have been thanks to a beneficial tax arrangement that has been used at risk by many. Now they are facing a 40% loss of income and expenses.

So no continually bleating about jumping to the PS market so that it bursts your rates is not an answer.

[northernladuk]

What skills could a commodities and derivatives business analyst take to the NHS?
Bear in mind, that they're only called business analyst because it's a closer match than the titles project manager, tester and developer and that the person isn't actually trained to be a business analyst?

Not all skills are transferrable across industry.

Not only that but there is the rank hypocrisy in there whereby in the past you've talked about contractors being specialists; if you're a BA with pressure ulcer specialism, what have you got to offer in an insurance gig compared to an insurance or other FS BA? You're bottom of the queue. Sorry, but you've got this one completely wrong or are going against all your previous diatribes on the subject of contracting.

Nope I've got this one wrong as I did state I didn't understand. If that's the type of specialism BAs have then I can see it now. You are Mr Angry today

[RonBW]

Ah well.. Erm.. Yes. There is that. But they are all inside anyway?

Some, possibly, but not all.

But it's dead easy to assume that everyone is as great as I / you / we are and that public sector is where people go who can't cut it anywhere else, without thinking about what that work actually entails and whether the roles that other people perform exists outside the public sector.