Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[Mordac]

Have you tried the ESS tool yet? Seems to be giving fairly favourable outcomes for many.

If that is getting back to Hector (assume it will) the tool will be "tweaked as necessary".

[LondonManc]

If that is getting back to Hector (assume it will) the tool will be "tweaked as necessary".

What Hector need to be even more wary of is lots of ex-contractors suddenly and legally closing down their businesses and claiming JSA. Can't wait to see how popular HMRC are then when there are even more hands taking from the pot instead of paying into it.

[SlipTheJab]

What Hector need to be even more wary of is lots of ex-contractors suddenly and legally closing down their businesses and claiming JSA. Can't wait to see how popular HMRC are then when there are even more hands taking from the pot instead of paying into it.

paging PC

[LondonManc]

paging PC

Why not? If they want to put new rules in place, let them be played by.

[DotasScandal]

Why not? If they want to put new rules in place, let them be played by.

Every time bureaucrats attempt to micromanage the behaviour of entrepreneurial economic agents, it invariably ends in disaster. This time will be no different. Expect unintended consequences galore.

A fairly predicatable one is the accelerated exodus of the more resourceful and skilled faction of contractors (which incidentally also tends to be the more highly paid) under friendlier skies.

[LondonManc]

Every time bureaucrats attempt to micromanage the behaviour of entrepreneurial economic agents, it invariably ends in disaster. This time will be no different. Expect unintended consequences galore.

A fairly predicatable one is the accelerated exodus of the more resourceful and skilled faction of contractors (which incidentally also tends to be the more highly paid) under friendlier skies.

u wot m8?

The other unintended consequence may well be a bobfest as they'll happily work for that amount, absolutely screwing the UK economy. Well done HMRC.

[NHS1979]

Hmm client is going to look at the tool and my list of requirements based on its questions - then try and see if they can write something outside IR35.

I've told them I'm open to whatever they come back with - my only hesitation remains being in the same place after 6th April - it all seemed more clear cut when the tool wasn't out and the roles were all likely to be inside IR35. I had my plan to move on and get a new gig, new client, new agency, and probs use an umbrella inside IR35 to mitigate retro threat.

If they did come back and say they're happy to say I'm outside IR35, I'm assuming need an appropriately worded contract, including statement of working practices and real world changes to back them up? Also that there are no sneaky clauses pushing liability for wrong decision back to me.

Now thinking this may be ok re retro - outside and I could stay, inside and I should walk? Will do anything to mitigate retro threat

[northernladuk]

Take out insurance and get a private sector gig?

[teapot418]

Hmm client is going to look at the tool and my list of requirements based on its questions - then try and see if they can write something outside IR35.

I've told them I'm open to whatever they come back with - my only hesitation remains being in the same place after 6th April - it all seemed more clear cut when the tool wasn't out and the roles were all likely to be inside IR35. I had my plan to move on and get a new gig, new client, new agency, and probs use an umbrella inside IR35 to mitigate retro threat.

If they did come back and say they're happy to say I'm outside IR35, I'm assuming need an appropriately worded contract, including statement of working practices and real world changes to back them up? Also that there are no sneaky clauses pushing liability for wrong decision back to me.

Now thinking this may be ok re retro - outside and I could stay, inside and I should walk? Will do anything to mitigate retro threat

If you're outside, and you have a printout of the tool result and answers, signed by the client to say they have filled it in accurately, you should be golden.

[northernladuk]

Hmm client is going to look at the tool and my list of requirements based on its questions - then try and see if they can write something outside IR35.

That just sounds so wrong.....