Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[LondonManc]

Nope I've got this one wrong as I did state I didn't understand. If that's the type of specialism BAs have then I can see it now. You are Mr Angry today

And I've not even strayed into a bus lane.

[northernladuk]

Looks like I've been well and truly served

[PurpleGorilla]

Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

IR35, the very best there is. When you absolutely posititively got to kill every last contractor in the room; accept no substitute.

NSFW!!!

https://youtu.be/-z2ucmARq-k

[RonBW]

IR35, the very best there is. When you absolutely posititively got to kill very contractor in the room; accept no substitute.

You might want to label that as being NSFW

[PurpleGorilla]

You might want to label that as being NSFW

My bad.

[LondonManc]

Looks like I've been well and truly served

Correctamundo. Now, back in your cubicle at Wigan Wallgate with you.

[seeourbee]

Thanks for reminding me I must watch Jackie Brown again

[NHS1979]

Yes, because the market is dripping with them.

If you're currently outside, the determination by the PSB is outside, your working practices and contract are both deemed outside and you have QDOS or similar IR35 insurance, I don't see the problem. You are absolutely top of the tree and there are thousands of contractors who will be low-hanging fruit.

The low-hanging fruit will be:
1/ Those that were outside and are now inside; same gig. HMRC will perceive it as high reward, given the potential for retrospective tax.

2/ Brand new outside; quick prod to check that working practices and contract are compliant with the determination.

Unless they're going to take extra staff on, they will be busy with those for years, particularly the type 1s.

This is my thinking - contrary to whatever that northern IT troll is saying, my current contract is outside, and verified as outside by QDOS, my current working practices are outside (as per QDOS) but with some tips to make it MORE outside. The current client needs to know what to do to re-confirm I am outside more strongly given the new witch hunt. Whereas before I wouldn't countenance it and am already set to leave, now I'm not so sure.

As for clinging onto the NHS or PS - just a weird argument honestly. Why don't you jack in IT and go and set up a Heart Failure community nursing service... You sound like you'd get on well with the Drs and Nurses! I've done private sector in my field - it is not off the table, but is not the same as giving time-limited support to provide a service with a more social purpose. I switched from being a perm a few years ago because I enjoy faster turnaround of roles, gaining the new experience and not getting dragged into the office politics. Hence I would still do this even with a pay cut.

If the client doesn't come back with something redesigned that is strongly outside IR35 and signed, then I will work for one of the other options I already have.

[malvolio]

This is my thinking - contrary to whatever that northern IT troll is saying, my current contract is outside, and verified as outside by QDOS, my current working practices are outside (as per QDOS) but with some tips to make it MORE outside. The current client needs to know what to do to re-confirm I am outside more strongly given the new witch hunt. Whereas before I wouldn't countenance it and am already set to leave, now I'm not so sure.

As for clinging onto the NHS or PS - just a weird argument honestly. Why don't you jack in IT and go and set up a Heart Failure community nursing service... You sound like you'd get on well with the Drs and Nurses! I've done private sector in my field - it is not off the table, but is not the same as giving time-limited support to provide a service with a more social purpose. I switched from being a perm a few years ago because I enjoy faster turnaround of roles, gaining the new experience and not getting dragged into the office politics. Hence I would still do this even with a pay cut.

If the client doesn't come back with something redesigned that is strongly outside IR35 and signed, then I will work for one of the other options I already have.

You are assuming the carefully revised Ts&Cs actually are fully aligned to the reality of the role. Personally, I wouldn't bet the mortgage on that being a viable or defensible approach.

[NHS1979]

You are assuming the carefully revised Ts&Cs actually are fully aligned to the reality of the role. Personally, I wouldn't bet the mortgage on that being a viable or defensible approach.

I am happy to work inside or outside IR35 - still better than perm as above. I already had my plan to leave and find a gig somewhere else - it's just the client who is trying not to see a £6m programme crash for a few months as they try and replace me.

Working practices would need to be real anyway - I've already told them they need to make my role much looser and not just as a sham on paper.