Churchill Knight & Boox clients being investigated as Managed Service Companies

[Hareforthebear]

HMRC argument regarding appeal rejection was very generic quoting generic reasons and listing points on which they believe my company qualified is an MSC. i believe it was rejected because it was just another generic appeal submitted over email by Boox with not additional proof or anything. just words, no substance.

i really wish someone at Boox was to be legally prosecuted if they are indeed found to be MSCP for at least a number of clients. even the clients who were deceived should take legal actions against Boox. too many individuals and families will be suffering because of Boox's actions.

Your appeal was actually rejected? Or do you mean they didn’t withdraw the determination but the amount is ‘stood over’? What did they say is the next steps for you then? Did they give you a payment deadline or outline tribunal options or something?

[gikap]

Your appeal was actually rejected? Or do you mean they didn’t withdraw the determination but the amount is ‘stood over’? What did they say is the next steps for you then? Did they give you a payment deadline or outline tribunal options or something?

It is more like they postponed whole thing until they are done with test cases. At least thats how i read this letter. There are no next steps mentioned except waiting for final determination and more determination letters for later tax years. No payment deadlines nor any tribunal options. I am now worried if i even understand correctly this legal speak in these letters.

[ritwolf]

It is more like they postponed whole thing until they are done with test cases. At least thats how i read this letter. There are no next steps mentioned except waiting for final determination and more determination letters for later tax years. No payment deadlines nor any tribunal options. I am now worried if i even understand correctly this legal speak in these letters.

I think your appeal hasn't been rejected but stood over.

[ritwolf]

It's what the legislation says so, yes, it is valid - 61(B)(1)(b):



Some of these words have a technical meaning within the scope of the legislation, such as "payment".

That said, you're unlikely to gain any traction at this stage. Certainly, you could include it in your appeal and it should work in due course, although 48-49% is obviously very close. Either way, you should seek professional help.

I've spoken with a few specialists and, as you mentioned, they also think that HMRC could reject the appeal because it's so close to the 50% threshold. I don't understand, how can they actually reject the legislation because it's "close" to the number, and then be so strict when it suits them to do so? Is this behaviour normal from a government entity?

[jamesbrown]

I've spoken with a few specialists and, as you mentioned, they also think that HMRC could reject the appeal because it's so close to the 50% threshold. I don't understand, how can they actually reject the legislation because it's "close" to the number, and then be so strict when it suits them to do so? Is this behaviour normal from a government entity?

It won't get rejected in the end, if it's correct, but it may get rejected upfront. You can see why they do this, TBH, because there may an argument about how you calculated that percentage and they don't have the capacity for that argument right now, but you will win in the end if that clause is not met.

[jamesbrown]

I think your appeal hasn't been rejected but stood over.

Yes, it's this for sure.

[antuk]

jamesbrown - is this still valid? if so, do you know what period would you have to apply it for (e.g. 2018-2019 tax year or natural year...). I checked for the period 2018-2019 and the payments are just below half (around 48-49% of the amounts invoiced ex VAT.

Basically wanted to know if I can appeal based on this?

I tried, along with lots of other factors. They just ignored the whole appeal and said stood over - Pretty sure they didn't even read it

[ritwolf]

Just in case someone understands and can explain:

- Effective tomorrow, BOOX Limited is dissolved: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/10004465

- The parent company is still active: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/07483229

Can anyone make sense of this? We can't close our companies, but Boox can be closed/dissolved?

[Guy Incognito]

Just in case someone understands and can explain:

- Effective tomorrow, BOOX Limited is dissolved: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/10004465

- The parent company is still active: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/07483229

Can anyone make sense of this? We can't close our companies, but Boox can be closed/dissolved?

This has been discussed before. BOOX limited never really traded it is a total red herring.

[ritwolf]

This has been discussed before. BOOX limited never really traded it is a total red herring.

Thanks, found the conversation regarding this