Churchill Knight & Boox clients being investigated as Managed Service Companies

[cojak]

“first years determination overturned.”

Hmmm…

[jamesbrown]

Spotted this yesterday.
Secret Contractor: How HMRC’s MSC investigation ruined my weekend and took over my life

Since I was highly skeptical about that, absent a very compelling, simple, reason, such as "I was not a client of CK or Boox for 2017/18 and I could prove it", I read the article and it sounds highly confused. I cannot really explain the sentence you quote, but put it alongside this quote:

After weeks of chasing, they finally got back to me earlier this week. They told me that they got my first initial email and that they have acknowledged that I’m appealing their case.

And I think that points to the author being confused about the current situation. I doubt anything has been overturned, rather it's in a holding pattern, the appeal acknowledged.

[DealorNoDeal]

+1

Reads like an advertorial.

[cojak]

+1

Reads like an advertorial.

Exactly my thought, and not a very believable one at that.

[eek]

Exactly my thought, and not a very believable one at that.

Depending on how you read it it reads that the author with IPSE’s help has managed to get the case thrown out. Which is a bold claim because anyone who knows HMRC and how they are handle this and similar cases knows that that is utterly impossible.

So if I’m blunt IPSE are now into the group of people who are promising the earth with zero evidence to back it up.

[Fred Bloggs]

Depending on how you read it it reads that the author with IPSE’s help has managed to get the case thrown out. Which is a bold claim because anyone who knows HMRC and how they are handle this and similar cases knows that that is utterly impossible.

So if I’m blunt IPSE are now into the group of people who are promising the earth with zero evidence to back it up.

It's a sad outcome, but I have long held they are part of "the problem" more than part of "the solution".

[GregRickshaw]

A highly dubious article! Given the amount of time Hector is taking to even acknowledge appeals, I'd say it's unlikely anyone has had their appeals fully reviewed and their determinations reduced to nil unless hector has made an error (which they have done by all accounts)

Agreed and also given also HMRC have not yet thrown out the 'obvious errors' there are a few genuine 17/18 defendants who weren't even using CK or Boox for that whole year, those cases have yet to be discarded!

The article itself just outlines the headless chicken mode/worry mode 'we' tend to go into when anything like this happens. Three months on we are all dealing with it very differently.

[jamesbrown]

weren't even using CK or Boox for that whole year

If they were clients for even a single day of 17/18, I don't think they can expect to have the Reg 80 withdrawn. However, if they weren't clients for a single day of 17/18 and can prove that, their determinations will be withdrawn, eventually. As you say, HMRC hasn't even got around to correcting such basic errors yet, let alone the more substantial cases. Weird article, but nothing from IPSE surprises me anymore.

[ns1]

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If Hector was aiming to spread FUD, looks like it's working a treat.

[isaaaaaaaaccc]

For anyone who is feeling bad about this. Don't.

The amusing part for victims of this is that I am sure people chose CK/Boox services exactly for the opposite purpose of what they find themselves involved in here.

I'm sure many chose them because they appear very credible. Yet here we are, wishing we had chose any cowboy accountant or did our accounts DIY and not with the consultation of an expert. The entire reason many don't do them themselves is actually the fear of getting it wrong. Why on earth wouldn't you engage an expert so you don't get punished by HMRC?

I've spoken to numerous specialist in our arena now and every single one has said that this was completely off their radar, especially at the stretch to apply this to an FCSA accreditied accounting firm. I'm certain that this could have been applied to nearly any accounting firm providing services to a contractor.

Whatever happens happens.