Things about to get very serious and much more real? / Felicitas Letters

[eek]

I'd not be surprised if the whole Doncaster thing was made up, but Felicitas did not say that the cases for each person who received the email have been heard. They said that one case was heard and that the recipients of the email are in the same position as that person so should consider their position - a thinly-veiled threat that you could be next.

I suspect we will know some point this morning that no case was heard at Doncaster - but the email does say it was a single case (i.e. it's not you but the next time it will be) and it was merely designed to increase the pressure.

But in reality it offers a get out as you now have an email saying they've sent out a Statutory Demands. And you can reply to that email with:-

1) Ask what address they sent it to as you haven't received it having moved over the years.
2) dispute you owe them any money

Don't mention anything about Doncaster - keep things very simple and clear cut.

And when they reply asking for your address tell them the IoM FSA state that you do not need to provide it under the duty of care rules.

And when they reply to that say that you will need to check with the IoM FSA whether you should provide the details (just cc the IoM FSA in to the email chain at that point).

[Paralytic]

There are lots of alarm bells ringing here for me. Least of all the fact that this all apparently happened on the 28th jan? Seeing how many of us have had these ‘letters’ that seems a little odd to expect that ‘all’ of our cases were heard on the same day??

I'd not be surprised if the whole Doncaster thing was made up, but Felicitas did not say that the cases for each person who received the email have been heard. They said that one case was heard and that the recipients of the email are in the similar situation as that person so should consider their position - a thinly-veiled threat that you could be next.

If I received this, I'd be contacting the authorities (as per eek's post above), also flagging it up as a Scam attempt (calling it this might get it more noticed, as Scams are a big thing in the media just now and have grown significantly during the pandemic).

[eek]

Thanks eek. These guys either really do have solid and provable rights to claim the money, or they have committed an offence with respect to intimidation with intent to defraud. If the whole Doncaster thing is a fabrication I would be on my way to see the police and then my MP with the paperwork. This, it seems, has run far enough now. I think it's now a criminal matter.

The thing is I really do think they were close to pulling it off.

But to add - now I've slept on it and had a coffee to think...

Now you have an email saying that they have sent you a statutory demand - you may want to reply and

1) Ask what address they sent it to as you haven't received it having moved over the years.
2) dispute you owe them any money

Don't mention anything about Doncaster- keep things very simple and clear cut.

And when they reply asking for your address tell them the IoM FSA state that you do not need to provide it under the duty of care rules.

And when they reply to that say that you will need to check with the IoM FSA whether you should provide the details (just cc the IoM FSA in to the email chain at that point).

[Fred Bloggs]

Thanks eek. These guys either really do have solid and provable rights to claim the money, or they have committed an offence with respect to intimidation with intent to defraud. If the whole Doncaster thing is a fabrication I would be on my way to see the police and then my MP with the paperwork. This, it seems, has run far enough now.

[eek]

If this is a made up story, it surely has to be actionable in law? It's fraud and it's intimidation to defraud? The police should be interested if the Doncaster story is fabricated?

1) we know there is a long delay for all court cases
2) I know there is a stay of execution for all corporate insolvencies until April 1st 2021 see Statutory Demands - HelixLaw - I cannot imagine personal bankruptcies are any different.
3) there is no way a statutory demand results in a bill for anything - the only end result is the right to for full payment or for Felicitas to recover the money via bankruptcy.

If it were me and were I to have the email and a demand letter I would be off to the police but there we have a problem - as Felicitas are on the Isle of Man.

So firstly I would be forwarding the email here to the IoM FSA and Office of Fair Trading

Here is the response I received from Isle of Man FSA: IOMFSA
Thank you for your e-mail regarding Felicitas Solutions Limited (“Felicitas”) which is registered with the Isle of Man Financial Services Authority (“the Authority”) to provide moneylending services as defined in the Designated Businesses (Registration and Oversight) Act 2015 (of Tynwald) (“the Act”).

The Act requires those carrying on certain “designated business activities”, which activities have been deemed as subject to the Island’s AMLCFT Code 2019 (“the Code”) (the general equivalent of England’s AMLCFT Regulations), to register with the Authority for the purposes of oversight of their compliance with the Code. A reference copy of the Code is available here: https://www.iomfsa.im/media/1520/appendixa.pdf

All money lenders are also required to be registered with the Isle of Man Office of Fair Trading (“OFT”). The OFT also perform the role of Ombudsman for money lenders, so complaints against registered money lenders should be made to the OFT by telephone on 01624 686500 or email at iomfairtrading@gov.im.

and then we get to the interesting bit

Fiscus Management Limited are in the UK - and I'm sure the Metropolitan Police won't mind a few reports of demanding money with fake emails about that company and the director involved.

They are in Hackney so the appropriate Trading Standards are at Hackney Council - Trading Standards

* I'm 99.99999% certain but I'm not the one with any right to make phone calls and there is little need as GotScrewed has that issue well covered.

The only thing to add is:-

Don't pay them any money

I think this email should be enough to protect you were they to try and go any further especially if you have a police /trading standards reference. With this email they've finally screwed up.

So Felicitas if and when you read this - you so nearly did it - shame you screwed up at the final hurdle.

[Fred Bloggs]

I would wait until we find out what GetScrewed finds out.

If this is a made up story, it surely has to be actionable in law? It's fraud and it's intimidation to defraud? The police should be interested if the Doncaster story is fabricated?

[GotScrewed]

There are lots of alarm bells ringing here for me. Least of all the fact that this all apparently happened on the 28th jan? Seeing how many of us have had these ‘letters’ that seems a little odd to expect that ‘all’ of our cases were heard on the same day??

No case number
No record of anything for Felicitas being held at doncaster
Random £600 court costs demanded?

Hmm....

I dont know how many of you have had their efforts at ‘evidence’ sent to you? But all mine is just retrospective documents made very much after any events, unsigned. And with incorrect addresses for the time period specified.

I have bank statements showing what went across to (in my case) WCS, and what came back (with a major haircut). So it is clear to see what went on. Surely even if they did have the balls to take it to court, it would be so easy to pick apart with no signed documents or proof of transfer? (Or even existance??)

[eek]

I would wait until we find out what GetScrewed finds out.

[happychap]

just to be clear

Did you dispute the Statutory Demand?

Hi all,

Just wanted to clear up some things and I'd be grateful for some advice.

I have never spoken with Felicitas directly nor have I ever received anything in the post.

I've moved several times since 2012.

Paid HMRC everything based on the 5yrs I was with my Scheme company, a costly lesson.

One of my very old emails is where these letters are arriving in the spam folder. (Good place for it). Typically every 6 weeks, generic emails signed by Felicitas never a company Director which is a little weird.

Previously I had ETCtax act on my behalf to deal with Felicitas and they sent a letter questioning the debt and the legitimacy of how they purchased those debts. I never heard anything back from ECTtax nor from Felciitias. Obviously ECTtax has moved on fair enough, thanks for trying.

It's quite possible an SD was raised against me and sent to an old address I have no way of telling does that mean I've ignored it - i think not! (After all, it's not too difficult to track people down these days).

I'm not really trying to hide, I'm more than happy to deal with it once I have something in writing request me to come to court.

Advice plz

Should I join WTT?

Should I just engage with a Debt Lawyer myself?

Dare i say it, should i pick up the phone call them and pay the 10-5 or 2%?

Appreciate in advance any help.

[GotScrewed]

I got an email this morning from them.

I called Doncaster cc and they said that there was no record of this hearing taking place. I have asked them to email what they told me and have furnished them with a copies of the letter from Felicitas.