Demand for contractors outside London to work in London

[Brian Potter]

I live in SE London, my area isn't so bad.

[MarillionFan]

Indeed. There seems to be this misconception that because somebody successfully subjects themselves to a high-pressure environment in return for a lot of money, they must be particularly talented. All it really means is that they are very good at herd behaviour.

If they had a spark of initiative or independence of thought, they'd find a way to succeed without having to put up with that crap; and furthermore, they would probably define "success" in terms that weren't much more beneficial to those above them in the hierarchy of enslavement to which they have willingly bound themselves.

Most cannot take high pressure, especially dev sorts, prima Donna shrinking violets the lot of you.

[doodab]

Most cannot take high pressure, especially dev sorts, prima Donna shrinking violets the lot of you.

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

[SpontaneousOrder]

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

WHS.
2 x people doing 6 hrs will yield a greater return than 1 x person doing 12 hrs.

[kal]

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

+1 A project being delivered by every day 'project heroics' is not sustainable, if 12 hours a day is the norm then where does the extra come from when deadlines require more effort? Project I am on has been 9 to 5.30 five days a week gig for the last year, we are near a release though hence I have started working more hours and am even working from home to support go live prep over the Easter weekend (am not denying that time and a half billing isn't helping my motivation though )

[vetran]

WHS.
2 x people doing 6 hrs will yield a greater return than 1 x person doing 12 hrs.

yes but the single person on Salary costs half the price. You can always hire a younger cheaper one if the present one folds.

The thing you need to convince them is that being organised and doing the job in 6 hours is better, higher quality and more efficient than being disorganised and doing the job in 12.