Reply to: Demand for contractors outside London to work in London

[vetran]

WHS.
2 x people doing 6 hrs will yield a greater return than 1 x person doing 12 hrs.

yes but the single person on Salary costs half the price. You can always hire a younger cheaper one if the present one folds.

The thing you need to convince them is that being organised and doing the job in 6 hours is better, higher quality and more efficient than being disorganised and doing the job in 12.

[kal]

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

+1 A project being delivered by every day 'project heroics' is not sustainable, if 12 hours a day is the norm then where does the extra come from when deadlines require more effort? Project I am on has been 9 to 5.30 five days a week gig for the last year, we are near a release though hence I have started working more hours and am even working from home to support go live prep over the Easter weekend (am not denying that time and a half billing isn't helping my motivation though )

[SpontaneousOrder]

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

WHS.
2 x people doing 6 hrs will yield a greater return than 1 x person doing 12 hrs.

[doodab]

Most cannot take high pressure, especially dev sorts, prima Donna shrinking violets the lot of you.

In most cases high pressure environments are simply a management failing, there is no need for them. There are exceptions of course, and everyone needs a bit of pressure now and then, but these places where the expectation is for 10-12 hrs a day every day are simply badly run and not getting the best out of their people. Whether they can "take it" or not they will generally perform better in a less stressful environment. Nearly everyone does.

[MarillionFan]

Indeed. There seems to be this misconception that because somebody successfully subjects themselves to a high-pressure environment in return for a lot of money, they must be particularly talented. All it really means is that they are very good at herd behaviour.

If they had a spark of initiative or independence of thought, they'd find a way to succeed without having to put up with that crap; and furthermore, they would probably define "success" in terms that weren't much more beneficial to those above them in the hierarchy of enslavement to which they have willingly bound themselves.

Most cannot take high pressure, especially dev sorts, prima Donna shrinking violets the lot of you.

[Brian Potter]

I live in SE London, my area isn't so bad.

[Bunk]

Sheltered life?

Sample Consensual "Slavery" Contract

I don't think that would pass an IR35 review

[NickFitz]

Does not compute.

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[SpontaneousOrder]

of enslavement to which they have willingly bound themselves.

Does not compute.

[NickFitz]

What if someone believes working 12 hour days under high pressure with ultra high living costs in a high crime, over populated city, full off immigrants is not attractive. I enjoy visiting London, but to work/live there would be my personal hell.

Indeed. There seems to be this misconception that because somebody successfully subjects themselves to a high-pressure environment in return for a lot of money, they must be particularly talented. All it really means is that they are very good at herd behaviour.

If they had a spark of initiative or independence of thought, they'd find a way to succeed without having to put up with that crap; and furthermore, they would probably define "success" in terms that weren't much more beneficial to those above them in the hierarchy of enslavement to which they have willingly bound themselves.

[Gym beast]

What if someone believes working 12 hour days under high pressure with ultra high living costs in a high crime, over populated city, full off immigrants is not attractive. I enjoy visiting London, but to work/live there would be my personal hell.

Then that person should do what I do. Live + work just outside it, and dive in/out on the weekends.

[Unix]

As an ex-Londoner I largely agree with his underlying point, the fact is that many of the highest talents of the north and west of England have made their way to London to thrive.


That said, for whatever reverse entropy my own most lucrative contracts have been west of London.


I may move back but I love living outside it but in spitting distance of a tube line terminus. It's become a sh1thole in the last 20-30 years

What if someone believes working 12 hour days under high pressure with ultra high living costs in a high crime, over populated city, full off immigrants is not attractive. I enjoy visiting London, but to work/live there would be my personal hell.

[Gym beast]

So you believe a persons intellect and talent is a result of which city they are born/live? Intresting to see how an idiot thinks.

As an ex-Londoner I largely agree with his underlying point, the fact is that many of the highest talents of the north and west of England have made their way to London to thrive.


That said, for whatever reverse entropy my own most lucrative contracts have been west of London.


I may move back but I love living outside it but in spitting distance of a tube line terminus. It's become a sh1thole in the last 20-30 years

[Unix]

Non-Londoners tend to be of inferior character and talent to Londoners - after all only the best are successful in London, since they have to compete with the best from around the world.
Any fool can toodle along in some public-sector or provincial company contract outside the SE, only the best can thrive in the cauldron that is London.
That's why non-Londoners aren't usually considered for roles in London.

HTH.

So you believe a persons intellect and talent is a result of which city they are born/live? Intresting to see how an idiot thinks.

[Gym beast]

And here above is why true cutting edge projects like advanced jet engine software and eurofighter avionics are based in the north! BTW just being testing my new software out by bombing the feck out of Canary Wharf !

They're based in wilds because the financial hubs of London, near surrounds, Leeds/Edinburgh have taken the best and brightest, you're paid to churn out crap, and get away with it because of DV clearance.


Oh, and I've got six little letters for you....


IED LOL