More Farage wisdom

[MicrosoftBob]

No they didn't. The Nazis seized power.

After they had been democratically elected

[Old Greg]

Quite.
What we do with the thicko class is the great question of the economic age.
Germany seems to be the only Western country that has succeeded in keeping them occupied, but even this may change in the future with increasing automisation.

That's an unnecessarily unpleasant way of phrasing it.

But anyway, I'm not sure automation will have the effect you think. Far cheaper to keep someone off your books on a zero hour contract, than to invest in a robot where that investment lacks the flexibility to be taken off the books according to demand.

[Gittins Gal]

UKIP's voter base comes mainly from older males in the socio-economic groups C and D according to the latest polling i.e. poorly-educated older men.
This group feels left behind by globalisation and its benefits which they see all around them but which they feel they are not a part of.

Be that as may but there are others such as myself (and the other gals at my local Pony Club) whose support for UKIP is for the reasons I've alluded to earlier in this thread i.e. issues of democracy.

You all like to bang on about the wonderful economic benefits of globalisation (of which the EU is a manifestation) but, you know what? I'd rather be materially less well off if it meant being free of the yoke of the burgeoning EU superstate.

[sasguru]

Be that as may but there are others such as myself (and the other gals at my local Pony Club) whose support for UKIP .

You wish you were friends with the girls at the pony club, you dirty old bearded twat.

[Old Greg]

After they had been democratically elected

They never won a majority.

[Mich the Tester]

The answer to that is simple.
UKIP's voter base comes mainly from older males in the socio-economic groups C and D according to the latest polling i.e. poorly-educated older men.
This group feels left behind by globalisation and its benefits which they see all around them but which they feel they are not a part of.
Now if I was part of this group and I was struggling in the UK I would simply move to somewhere like Germany where there is work and the benefits are far more generous than the UK and where English people are generally liked and welcomed and where the beer and football culture is very similar.
But they don't want/can't do this which suggests an insularity and xenophobia.
You can't blame these people , it's the fault of the elite.
The elite told the British working class for centuries that they were "uber alles" - now they're finding out that the reality is that they aren't.
UKIP's false claim is that they can go back to being "uber alles" - that is their great attraction to the hard of thinking.

I've tried to put this across in a different manner, by asking why it works for me and Darmstadt, but not for others, and thereby getting people to think about this for themselves. Happily, you've put it in a way that reflects the rather gruesome truth.

Some people are just too thick to get the best out of globalisation; I don't know what to do about that other than ensure they have the freedom to try and get the best out of it; a freedom that UKIP and the 'out' supporters wish to remove from them, and remove from me. I've tried to show that without free movement of workers, the employers will still have the freedom to move the jobs, but the workers won't have the freedom to follow the opportunities, like your imaginary (but for some of us very real) situation of moving to Germany for more opportunity.

[Mich the Tester]

I'd rather be materially less well off if ...

Fine, do that, but don't force that choice on those of us who quite like being materially well off.

[vetran]

Its interesting the EUROphiles combat discussions on the legitimacy of the EU seizing power without a democratic process with a monarchy that established their rule in the same way albeit with violence not subterfuge.

It seems if you put up with the Monarchy so you should love the EU. They are of course two separate issues but when desperate lets accuse the opposition and obscure the issue.

When asked why the EU is so great they reply that a visa system would be too much like hard work for them. They being a minority of people who could probably get access to any non EU country with a visa, the example of the US visa system that is online and very effective is ignored as a possible solution

so far I'm not convinced.

Dropping to childish taunts just shows the Pro EU faction have lost the argument again.

[VectraMan]

You all like to bang on about the wonderful economic benefits of globalisation (of which the EU is a manifestation) but, you know what? I'd rather be materially less well off if it meant being free of the yoke of the burgeoning EU superstate.

Which is why we shouldn't have a referendum. If turkeys will actually vote for Christmas, then where does that leave us?

[Mich the Tester]

Dropping to childish taunts just shows the Pro EU faction have lost the argument again.

So what's your answer to the question? Why does the EU work for me and darmstadt, and not for you, seeing as you're the one who said you don't feel it's working for you?