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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Its interesting the EUROphiles combat discussions on the legitimacy of the EU seizing power without a democratic process with a monarchy that established their rule in the same way albeit with violence not subterfuge.

    It seems if you put up with the Monarchy so you should love the EU. They are of course two separate issues but when desperate lets accuse the opposition and obscure the issue.

    When asked why the EU is so great they reply that a visa system would be too much like hard work for them. They being a minority of people who could probably get access to any non EU country with a visa, the example of the US visa system that is online and very effective is ignored as a possible solution

    so far I'm not convinced.

    Dropping to childish taunts just shows the Pro EU faction have lost the argument again.
    I thought I was only the one who was adding the monarchy to the discussion. I am not a Europhile. I am anti-EU in fact and would like to see it abolished.

    By your argument my childish taunts just shows the anti-EU faction have lost the argument again. Or doesn't it work the other way round?
    Last edited by Old Greg; 3 April 2014, 11:07.

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      Originally posted by vetran View Post



      When asked why the EU is so great they reply that a visa system would be too much like hard work for them. They being a minority of people who could probably get access to any non EU country with a visa, the example of the US visa system that is online and very effective is ignored as a possible solution
      So what you're trying to sell me is a system that might give me permission to do something that I'm already free to do?
      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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        Just to be clear, I agree with Dave.

        Mr Cameron told BBC Breakfast news that he "didn't have a dog in the fight, as it were".
        He said: "The problem with this debate is both of the people taking part actually have quite extreme views.

        "Nick thinks there's nothing wrong with Europe and we shouldn't have a referendum; Nigel thinks there's nothing right with Europe and we should just get out and leave." "They're both wrong."

        David Cameron: Clegg and Farage are both 'extremists' on Europe - Telegraph
        And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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          Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
          ... I've tried to show that without free movement of workers, the employers will still have the freedom to move the jobs....
          This is the crux of the economic argument.
          But because there is a latent racism in parties like UKIP, they still believe that being English means you will automatically be better somehow than others, so companies will be forced to stay in the UK.
          Ironic as it's the least talented and educated who support UKIP.
          At least that's what they must think, I can't understand why they don't get that argument otherwise.
          London's extraordinary economic success, for example, is due to its being a magnet for talented people from all over the world.
          Remove that and London will become a provincial backwater and its competitors like New York and Frankfurt will clean up.
          Hard Brexit now!
          #prayfornodeal

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            Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
            A great question! And how do we resolve such important questions in a democracy?
            Ooh, I know this one! Is it, "With a committee made up of MPs who have nothing better to do with their time"?

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              Originally posted by Ticktock View Post
              Ooh, I know this one! Is it, "With a committee made up of MPs who have nothing better to do with their time"?
              Wouldn't it be better to have a popular vote? It's hard to argue with that.

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                Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
                Which is why we shouldn't have a referendum. If turkeys will actually vote for Christmas, then where does that leave us?
                They would then have a democratic mandate so it would remove one of the major objections to the progression to a superstate - we didn't ask for it. So long as the Referendum is fair not 'Do you want to Leave the EU and become a third world country?'

                Then like having B'Liar in Government we will just have to put up with it.

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                  Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                  This is the crux of the economic argument.
                  But because there is a latent racism in parties like UKIP, they still believe that being English means you will automatically be better somehow than others, so companies will be forced to stay in the UK.
                  Ironic as it's the least talented and educated who support UKIP.
                  At least that's what they must think, I can't understand why they don't get that argument otherwise.
                  London's extraordinary economic success, for example, is due to its being a magnet for talented people from all over the world.
                  Remove that and London will become a provincial backwater and its competitors like New York and Frankfurt will clean up.
                  Not sure if you know this... but not everyone lives in London.
                  If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you!

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                    Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                    This is the crux of the economic argument.
                    But because there is a latent racism in parties like UKIP, they still believe that being English means you will automatically be better somehow than others, so companies will be forced to stay in the UK.
                    Ironic as it's the least talented and educated who support UKIP.
                    At least that's what they must think, I can't understand why they don't get that argument otherwise.
                    London's extraordinary economic success, for example, is due to its being a magnet for talented people from all over the world.
                    Remove that and London will become a provincial backwater and its competitors like New York and Frankfurt will clean up.
                    And a decent visa system wouldn't allow that?

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                      Originally posted by TheBigD View Post
                      Not sure if you know this... but not everyone lives in London.
                      I reckon he probably does know that.

                      HTH

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