More Farage wisdom

[Mich the Tester]

Why does the EU seem to be working very well for me, and Mr Darmstadt, and some others on the board, and not for the rest of you? Is it because of you yourselves?

[vetran]

Anyway, back to my question; why does the EU seem to be working well for me, and Mr Darmstadt, and some others on the board, and not for you?

how is the EU working well for you that a decent Visa system and a trade group wouldn't ?

[Old Greg]

Did the troika turn up and alter the crosses on the ballot papers?

Let's clarify. Is that what you thought I meant or are you being obtuse?

[Old Greg]

huh? You been on the Nick Clegg debating course, next you will accuse me of being a fantasist and yearning for the empire.

You seem to object to people knocking a mainstream party. I find that curious.

[darmstadt]

I'm not going to sit here arguing the case for Barroso; he is elected indirectly, but as you say it's very indirect.

Besides, I'm bored of all this tulipe. If Brits want to leave the EU, go ahead; I can hedge my bets with dual citizenship anyway.

WHS +1 (plus un, plus eine, piu uno, plus jeden, mas uno...)

[TheBigD]

Stop being flippant; what makes it so difficult for anyone other than a cretin to vote 'no' twice?

It's not difficult, of course. The motives behind the referendum are completely undemocratic. After all, if the firs vote returned a "Yes", would they hold another to ask "are you sure". Of course not.

[d000hg]

I'm sure you are in the majority on the monarchy and the way we test that in a democracy is to have a popular vote.

We could have a vote every 7 years perhaps:

Should the current Queen remain as monarch or should the monarchy be abolished (or an alternative 'No' option).

Then when a monarch dies, the accession of the new monarch could be ratified by a popular vote. I really don't see how anyone who believes in democracy could object to this.

It seems rather silly to abolish a reigning monarch, you can't just have a vote and then phone the queen and say "sorry, you're fired".

At most, one referendum per monarch about whether the monarchy should continue when that king/queen dies/abdicates would be reasonable.

[Old Greg]

It seems rather silly to abolish a reigning monarch, you can't just have a vote and then phone the queen and say "sorry, you're fired".

At most, one referendum per monarch about whether the monarchy should continue when that king/queen dies/abdicates would be reasonable.

So why should I be bound by an accession 62 years ago without having a vote?

[Mich the Tester]

how is the EU working well for you that a decent Visa system and a trade group wouldn't ?

I don't need to go through the bureaucratic cack of a visa system; no visa system will ever be 'decent' because it will be run by the sort of people who staff immigration departments; tiny minded cretins who don't know their elbow from their arses and have to look on a map of the world and search for hours to find unknown territories like 'UK', rather like the feckwhitted piece of useless flesh that processed my residence permit when I first came to NL. I can also offer my services anywhere in the EU without any bureaucratic nonsense, and indeed I do, and I make money out of it; I can also live in NL with my girlfriend, can return to the UK if necessary with no further ado. Now then, why are you unable to get benefits from being in the EU? Should your inability or unwillingness to get those advantages mean that they should be taken away from me?

[Mich the Tester]

It's not difficult, of course. The motives behind the referendum are completely undemocratic. After all, if the firs vote returned a "Yes", would they hold another to ask "are you sure". Of course not.

Yes, so you vote 'no' twice.