More Farage wisdom

[Mich the Tester]

UKIP have slowly developed enough support to become main stream over a couple of decades and you are busy knocking them.

You've proved my point; UKIP have come from almost nowhere to become mainstream, so how on earth can anyone claim that the Tories and Labour have some monopoly?

[Old Greg]

It's extremely democratic; you ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?'

Following your argument it's undemocratic to hold an election every 5 years. People have got the MPs they elected, so why bother asking them again and again?

I spend a fair bit of time in Ireland, where my in-laws live.

The EU pressure on Ireland to rerun referenda is seen as undemocratic for this reason:

You ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?', and then when you get the answer you want you stop asking them.

Following your argument it's democratic to hold an election every 5 years until you get the MPs elected that you want and then you don't hold any more elections.

[vetran]

So there's no harm in having a vote every 5 to 10 years on it?

on what - the existence of the Monarchy. Why not but don't be surprised if the royal company become more political. I'm reasonably happy with the status Quo and apart from a few Guardian journalists I think I'm in the majority.

On who is in the Government - we do and it keeps them in check.

On the EU - we haven't had a vote on whether we want them to rule us. So yes please!

[Ticktock]

It's extremely democratic; you ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?'

Following your argument it's undemocratic to hold an election every 5 years. People have got the MPs they elected, so why bother asking them again and again?

Because the question is "Who do you want to elect to represent you for the next 5 years" not "Who do you want to elect to represent you for life".

[Old Greg]

FTFY

We know the Tories have deals with business & odd sexual preferences, Labour are bigoted lefties who are waist deep in expense scandals like the others and most people who had a choice would want them all to go to prison.

UKIP have slowly developed enough support to become main stream over a couple of decades and you are busy knocking them.

So presumably you don't knock the Labour party because they are mainstream.

[Mich the Tester]

I spend a fair bit of time in Ireland, where my in-laws live.

The EU pressure on Ireland to rerun referenda is seen as undemocratic for this reason:

You ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?', and then when you get the answer you want you stop asking them.

Following your argument it's democratic to hold an election every 5 years until you get the MPs elected that you want and then you don't hold any more elections.

As I understand it the Irish live in a democracy where they can elect a government that gives them a third referendum if that's what they want.

[MicrosoftBob]

As I understand it the Irish live in a democracy where they can vote to be in the EU repeatedly until they give a yes vote.

FTFY

[Gittins Gal]

It's extremely democratic; you ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?'

Seriously? Is that why they do it?

I find it very hard to believe that you genuinely think that's true.

[Mich the Tester]

Seriously? Is that why they do it?

I find it very hard to believe that you genuinely think that's true.

No, because I don't agree with referenda, but why is it so difficult to say 'no' twice? Do YOU find that difficult? I don't.

[Old Greg]

on what - the existence of the Monarchy. Why not but don't be surprised if the royal company become more political. I'm reasonably happy with the status Quo and apart from a few Guardian journalists I think I'm in the majority.

On who is in the Government - we do and it keeps them in check.

On the EU - we haven't had a vote on whether we want them to rule us. So yes please!

I'm sure you are in the majority on the monarchy and the way we test that in a democracy is to have a popular vote.

We could have a vote every 7 years perhaps:

Should the current Queen remain as monarch or should the monarchy be abolished (or an alternative 'No' option).

Then when a monarch dies, the accession of the new monarch could be ratified by a popular vote. I really don't see how anyone who believes in democracy could object to this.