More Farage wisdom

[Mich the Tester]

Well what do you think happened in Ireland after the no vote? The organs of the state and the media went into overdrive no doubt using no end of spin to ensure they got the vote they wanted.

And, turning your point on the head, funny they wouldn't be keen on repeating the 1975 referendum isn't it?

Oh, spin, the media, and so on! What's the bloody point of elections at all if people are so inconsistent they can't keep their principles from one referendum to another?

You complain about a lack of democracy and then when people are given TWO opportunities to vote, it's 'undemocratic'.

Honestly, this isn't difficult.

[Old Greg]

In theory, I don't mind the idea of that.

Problem is with our current system we'd end up with a choice between whoever the Tories put up and whoever Labour put up. And I'm sure they'd both be completely ghastly. Assuming we'd continue in the tradition of politically motivated celebs running for president we could end up with a choice between Phil Collins and Mick Hucknall.

I think I'll stick with the Queen for now thank you.

That's great. You can vote for her! But let's have a vote.

[Mich the Tester]

Problem is with our current system we'd end up with a choice between whoever the Tories put up and whoever Labour put up.

Utter, unadulterated bollux. Any British citizen can stan for parliament, and can gather like minded people around him to stand in other constituencies. If they get enough votes in enough constituencies they get to form a government. The fact that it's usually Labour or the Conservatives that get to supply the PM is a consequence of them getting more votes than other parties.

[vetran]

Do you want democracy or not?

The current situation with the Queen & UK government was the situation I was born into, it has served me well. If we started from a clean slate today then I doubt the Monarchy would exist, but it does and is largely an irrelevance in the governing the country but is a major part of our countries identity.

The EU has developed within my life and I'm not so sure it has served me well. We have started from scratch and an anonymous head of state is not popular with everyone.

[Mich the Tester]

The EU has developed within my life and I'm not so sure it has served me well.

It's served me very well indeed. I wonder why. Maybe you should wonder why.

It seems to have served Mr Darmstadt quite well too, and it's serving some other people on CUK quite well.

[Gittins Gal]

Oh, spin, the media, and so on! What's the bloody point of elections at all if people are so inconsistent they can't keep their principles from one referendum to another?

Honestly, this isn't difficult.

I doubt anyone changed their mind. I expect more yes voters were motivated to go and vote.

I can't believe you're defending the way they repeat these referenda until they get the right answer because it's profoundly undemocratic.

And I think you know that as your arguments are nebulous at best.

[Old Greg]

The current situation with the Queen & UK government was the situation I was born into, it has served me well. If we started from a clean slate today then I doubt the Monarchy would exist, but it does and is largely an irrelevance in the governing the country but is a major part of our countries identity.

So there's no harm in having a vote every 5 to 10 years on it?

[vetran]

I'm going to talk Utter, unadulterated bollux. but luckily Vetran will correct it for me.

The fact that it's usually Labour or the Conservatives that get to supply the PM is a consequence of them getting more financial and tribal votes than other parties.

FTFY

We know the Tories have deals with business & odd sexual preferences, Labour are bigoted lefties who are waist deep in expense scandals like the others and most people who had a choice would want them all to go to prison.

UKIP have slowly developed enough support to become main stream over a couple of decades and you are busy knocking them.

[Gittins Gal]

Utter, unadulterated bollux. Any British citizen can stan for parliament, and can gather like minded people around him to stand in other constituencies. If they get enough votes in enough constituencies they get to form a government. The fact that it's usually Labour or the Conservatives that get to supply the PM is a consequence of them getting more votes than other parties.

How do you know it's bollux? What system of voting would be used?

If its anything like our parliamentary system, then clearly the choice would be between whoever the two main parties put up.

So, not such unadulterated bollux at all.

[Mich the Tester]

I doubt anyone changed their mind. I expect more yes voters were motivated to go and vote.

I can't believe you're defending the way they repeat these referenda until they get the right answer because it's profoundly undemocratic.

It's extremely democratic; you ask people ' do you want bla bla bla ', then they say 'no', then you ask them 'are you sure?'

Following your argument it's undemocratic to hold an election every 5 years. People have got the MPs they elected, so why bother asking them again and again?