Immigrants cost Britain £3,000 a day each, says report

[vetran]

I guess this makes me triple foreign! Waheey!

precisely, so if you just count foreign born its a good yardstick.

[xoggoth]

Maybe somebody above already did it, but according to this, no household with a gross income less than £35k makes a net contribution to the state.

How much we give the state in tax – and how much we get back - Telegraph

Net contribution to the state is not the only measure of value obviously, we need cafes to go to, street cleaners, nannies, builders etc, etc but those results do suggest that we do not need more of those jobs if they are simply servicing the extra demand that migrants themselves create.

[Old Greg]

Not sure how you would define an immigrant for these purposes the census seems to like foreign born as a value :

What about people born in Commonwealth countries or in the Republic of Ireland? Why don't you count them?

[Mich the Tester]

precisely, so if you just count foreign born its a good yardstick.

Trouble is, born in Nigeria, living in the Netherlands, having British born British citizen parents, one Irish citizen grandparent, one German great grandparent, and holding dual citizenship, could you please point out to me in which country I am not an 'immigrant'?

Actually no, don't bother, it's not something that preoccupies me from day to day.

[doodab]

now take it away from what they contribute. Its net contribution.

I would assume on this board we all pay more tax than that (admitted probably via Vat & corporation tax as you are all tax avoiding contractors.)

OK so do the same sum with the deficit rather than gross spending. I'm sure you can work that out for yourself and prove your point.

[Old Greg]

Maybe somebody above already did it, but according to this, no household with a gross income less than £35k makes a net contribution to the state.

How much we give the state in tax – and how much we get back - Telegraph

Net contribution to the state is not the only measure of value obviously, we need cafes to go to, street cleaners, nannies, builders etc, etc but those results do suggest that we do not need more of those jobs if they are simply servicing the extra demand that migrants themselves create.

Are you including all of the direct and indirect contributions to the state coffers that arise from the surplus value of the worker's labour?

[doodab]

Trouble is, born in Nigeria, living in the Netherlands, having British born British citizen parents, one Irish citizen grandparent, one German great grandparent, and holding dual citizenship, could you please point out to me in which country I am not an 'immigrant'?

Actually no, don't bother, it's not something that preoccupies me from day to day.

International man of Michery

[Mich the Tester]

What about people born in Commonwealth countries or in the Republic of Ireland? Why don't you count them?

I was born in a country that was in the Commonwealth when I was born, and is now, but was suspended between 1995 and 1999, just to add a little unnecessary complication to something that's already rather ill-defined.

[sasguru]

you said - i'll paraphrase my immigrant friends are all highly paid professionals who I believe make up a great part of London's success .

Where did I say that? Are you so desperate you have to make things up?

What I said was that "my immigrant friends are all highly paid professionals so at least some immigrants must be net contributors".
Then I pointed out that since London as a whole (1) was successful and (2) had so many immigrants - that it was unlikely that immigrants in London were net takers.
So in other words my anecdotal experience backs up the large picture stats.
What you need to ask yourself is could a city with half its population being non-productive be so successful?


Anyway I've skim read the original MW report. It's based mainly (1) on an analysis of recent EU migrants and (2) simply uses the data from an earlier study that found a benefit in immigration. It just challenges some of the assumptions, but its own assumptions are equally made up.
Although buried deep in the study it does admit that most other studies have shown zero benefit or a slight benefit from immigration.

In other words it all depends on assumptions - figures are hard to come by.

Personally I would guess there would not be much difference between the natives and immigrant population overall because we don't have a selective immigration policy - we take brain surgeons and people like mos.
They cancel each other out.
Good immigrants in London vs lazy ones in the North.

[Old Greg]

I was born in a country that was in the Commonwealth when I was born, and is now, but was suspended between 1995 and 1999, just to add a little unnecessary complication to something that's already rather ill-defined.

So according to vetran, you are not foreign born so not an immigrant.