Immigrants cost Britain £3,000 a day each, says report

[Mich the Tester]

So according to vetran, you are not foreign born so not an immigrant.

Oh great, about 175,000,000 brothers and sisters in Nigeria will be pleased to hear that! I'll get on the blower to them now shall I, put the kettle on!

Oops, sorry, 175,000,000 minus the ones born while Nigeria was suspended from the Commonwealth in '95 to '99 with the exception of those who were born in any disputed border areas with coommonwealth countries, erm, it gets a complicated, so what I want to as is this; why does anyone bloody well care?

[Old Greg]

Oh great, about 175,000,000 brothers and sisters in Nigeria will be pleased to hear that! I'll get on the blower to them now shall I, put the kettle on!

Oops, sorry, 175,000,000 minus the ones born while Nigeria was suspended from the Commonwealth in '95 to '99 with the exception of those who were born in any disputed border areas with coommonwealth countries, erm, it gets a complicated, so what I want to as is this; why does anyone bloody well care?

If vetran says it's true, then it must be.

[vetran]

So according to vetran, you are not foreign born so not an immigrant.

how do you get to that conclusion?

[Old Greg]

how do you get to that conclusion?

He was born in a Commonwealth country.

[doodab]

Personally I would guess there would not be much difference between the natives and immigrant population overall because we don't have a selective immigration policy - we take brain surgeons and people like mos.

But what about the inherent superiority of the British populace? Surely that must be a factor.

[vetran]

He was born in a Commonwealth country.

so he is 'Foreign Born', the commonwealth may have conferred some rights but he is still factually an emigrant from his country of birth and therefore an immigrant to the UK. Even if he has a right to a UK passport due to his parents, just like Boris.

If I were born on the Guernsey I would technically be an immigrant in absolute terms if I moved to Brighton. But for the purposes of then census I'm considered a UK native.


The way the census defines it was above.


as far as I can see there is a legal distinction 'right of abode' is not citizenship.

https://www.gov.uk/right-of-abode


you keep thinking being an immigrant is a bad thing, its not in itself.

The argument is should we manage immigration more effectively and have an honest open debate about what benefits we can get from it.

Currently the figures proffered and propaganda always seem to show all immigrants are good and anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

As Sas said finally its all about assumptions, Migrationwatch said some assumptions where wrong, on the face of it these points seem sensible.

[Old Greg]

so he is 'Foreign Born',

Have to stop you there. He was not born in a foreign country because Commonwealth countries are not foreign countries so how can he be 'foreign born'?

[vetran]

But what about the inherent superiority of the British populace? Surely that must be a factor.

you been to some pubs on a Saturday night, quite a few British hardly seem superior in any way.

[doodab]

you been to some pubs on a Saturday night, quite a few British hardly seem superior in any way.

Hence my agreement with SAS, ironically expressed, that "there would not be much difference between the natives and immigrant population overall because we don't have a selective immigration policy".

Although TBH I did tend, before I became ill, to go to superior gaffs full of superior people with my mixed group of friends some of whom are real live immigrants. Merkins, Hermans, Poles, Spaniards, Sri Lankans, we'll take anyone with a brain really, even Scotsmen at a pinch.

[Mich the Tester]

Currently the figures proffered and propaganda always seem to show all immigrants are good and anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

No, many figures suggest that many, maybe even most 'immigrants' (which we are still struggling to define satisfactorily) are basically OK to good.

The figures show us nothing about whether somebody is a 'racist' depending on his or her opinions.

The headlines (propaganda) in some sections of the media suggest that many immigrants are not all that great.

So we have some figures from some studies carried out by some organisations, and we have conjecture from some media companies; given my limited time to analyse all this information, I'm inclined to be more receptive to the figures than the conjecture, but still view them critically.