Project Gangnam Style

[Dactylion]

What's SY on about? Is he just showing he knows all the stupid terminology PMs use to try and make developers think they are special in some way?

Can't stand these overly rigid process is everything PMs myself, process is just a tool to help get things done.

Well Suity is "special" isn't he?
And he is certainly a tool.

[vetran]

its so nice to have Ass Guru back, the board is back to a professional high level exchange of witty repartee and gentle rivalry.

[NotAllThere]

What's SY on about? Is he just showing he knows all the stupid terminology PMs use to try and make developers think they are special in some way?

Can't stand these overly rigid process is everything PMs myself, process is just a tool to help get things done.

I've no idea what he's talking about either. It puts me in mind of the PM who demanded to know why no-one had told him about the communication problems.

Can anyone offer a translation into English?

[GB9]

You want requirements baselined? Bless......Obviously never worked with senior / difficult stakeholders before

Major difference between scope and requirements

[original PM]

hmm I am NOT a pm but...

There is a highlevel goal or plan of what the project is supposed to deliver - this is being classed as a base line.

In order to progress the project that high level goal needs to be broken down into some high level requirements (thus the workshops)

If someone wants something out of the project which is not clearly implied in the high level goals it requires a change request.

So for me the project is still in a proof of concept /planning stage.

[sasguru]

its so nice to have Ass Guru back, the board is back to a professional high level exchange of witty repartee and gentle rivalry.

Fook orf to the Daily Mail site where you belong.
HTH, BIDIW.

[MPwannadecentincome]

Stay calm and carry on invoicing

I agree with originalPM, just make sure somebody is defining what is considered "success criteria" before development starts and work towards that.

[suityou01]

I've no idea what he's talking about either. It puts me in mind of the PM who demanded to know why no-one had told him about the communication problems.

Can anyone offer a translation into English?

I can try Janet and John speak if it helps as plain English didn't cut it with you. Then again you aren't all there are you

Steps in a project :

Business case signed off.
Get budget.
Plan phase 1.
Hire staff.
Get cracking.

In this case

Hire staff.
Get cracking.
Define business case.
Get budget (or not )
Plan phase 1.

Does this help?

You want requirements baselined? Bless......Obviously never worked with senior / difficult stakeholders before

Major difference between scope and requirements

Worked with tonnes of difficult stakeholders and am an excellent BA with some large projects for big names under my belt successfully. Next?

hmm I am NOT a pm but...

There is a highlevel goal or plan of what the project is supposed to deliver - this is being classed as a base line.

In order to progress the project that high level goal needs to be broken down into some high level requirements (thus the workshops)

If someone wants something out of the project which is not clearly implied in the high level goals it requires a change request.

So for me the project is still in a proof of concept /planning stage.

Pretty much this.

I agree with originalPM, just make sure somebody is defining what is considered "success criteria" before development starts and work towards that.

Precisely what I am trying to do. You need a definition of done before you start, and deadlines otherwise you are just writing blank cheques and in which case you really don't need a PM, or a board for that matter.

This thread really sorted out the wheat from the chaff didn't it.

[MPwannadecentincome]

In this case

Hire staff.
Get cracking.
Define business case.
Get budget (or not )
Plan phase 1.

this happens quite often in my experience often by business departments trying to do things on their own hoping IT governance won't notice.

[mudskipper]

this happens quite often in my experience often by business departments trying to do things on their own hoping IT governance won't notice.

It's keeping me in work.