Gay marriage

[Gibbon]

Love how relgiopaths always start a response by calling you an idiot, so much for being charitable and nice, also very ironic.

Trouble is you are and you are so wrong, dhoog must be pissing himself with me being called a relgiopath.

[Mich the Tester]

Love how relgiopaths always start a response by calling you an idiot, so much for being charitable and nice, also very ironic.

From the poster who responded in another thread with "This is the most idiotic comment I have ever heard from a "non religious" person. '"

[Old Greg]

you misread my statement...

Sorry about that.

[Mich the Tester]

Trouble is you are and you are so wrong, dhoog must be pissing himself with me being called a relgiopath.

I don't think dhoog's the only one pissing himself laughing today.

[d000hg]

There is a good reason for that. Practicing homosexuals would not want to join the early christian church with it's emphasis on chastity so were not considered. Joining the early church was an arduous affair with catchumens waiting up to and beyond twenty years to receive baptism when you had to be clean of sin.

Exactly what are you defining as "early church" here? Because that bears little resemblance to the early church described in Acts where loads of people were converted and baptised immediately (Philip in Acts 8 for example). I assume you mean early as in a few centuries old, and specifically the R.C church?

Lust was seen as a sin as it corrupts relationships and can cause deep emotional unhappiness. This was common in Greek thought around this time and earlier. Even Socrates was glad of his later impotence as it freed him 'from the tyrant below'.As St Paul said, 'it would be better if you were like me' i.e. celibate...

Correct - Jesus said that Lust is as bad as adultery.

...but if you can't then be married for procreation. ... Physical homosexual behavior is in the same category as using contraception, it is sex for pleasure, therefore lust and sinful.

That's simply incorrect. Paul said that it was better to be celibate but that this was impossible for most people, so husband and wife should come together rather than be tempted into lust and sexual immorality, NOT that they should do so for procreation alone... in fact the verses in question (1 Cor 7) doesn't even mention procreation.

The whole "sex has to be for procreation" is more R.C. claptrap, as is all the guilt around sexual urges.

[proggy]

I don't think dhoog's the only one pissing himself laughing today.

Nope that's for sure, I haven't laughed this hard for ages. Some real swiveled eyed looneys post here.

[Gibbon]

Exactly what are you defining as "early church" here? Because that bears little resemblance to the early church described in Acts where loads of people were converted and baptised immediately (Philip in Acts 8 for example). I assume you mean early as in a few centuries old, and specifically the R.C church?

Correct - Jesus said that Lust is as bad as adultery.

That's simply incorrect. Paul said that it was better to be celibate but that this was impossible for most people, so husband and wife should come together rather than be tempted into lust and sexual immorality, NOT that they should do so for procreation alone... in fact the verses in question (1 Cor 7) doesn't even mention procreation.

The whole "sex has to be for procreation" is more R.C. claptrap, as is all the guilt around sexual urges.

Apologies, my view is a little Rome centric.

[MaryPoppins]

well the guys I grew up it was obvious from an early age, one of the twins was macho, the other was most definitely effeminate from being a toddler.

Yes some people may be bi, curious, pushed towards and late discovering but I suspect some sexuality is defined in the womb. And there is a Daily Mail story to prove it.

Effeminate men are not always gay, and gay men are not always effeminate. Do people seriously still think like this?

I agree with your second point however, for lots of reasons I don't feel comfortable going into.

[darmstadt]

Tax breaks and anything that includes a spouse or civil partnership but not a long term relationship with neither. There are plenty of examples around.

Yep, this pisses me off. I've been with Frau D. for nearly 25 years and we've not got around to tying the knot and why should we? We're a pretty good functioning unit who have brought up a family and are a pretty normal part of society yet because we haven't undertaken this old fashioned act we're still considered as single units and get none of the benefits if we had of. I think it is mighty unfair and stamp my foot whenever I get the chance...

[EternalOptimist]

just had the thought that if it was all about procreation, we could see gays being booted out the apse, whilst they let test tubes in through the nave