Panorama - abortion

[formant]

Seriously? You don't think that views to abortion have changed in the last 30 years???.

Yeah, society has taken a fair few steps back over the past few decades.

Having an Abortion When Nobody Called Me a Slut

[mudskipper]

I think people need to be made aware of the risks, the girl i'm seeing fell pregnant before Christmas due to a coil failure (apparently 1 in 10000 chance), so we went for a "Christmas un-miracle" on Christmas eve. There were a few problems with the procedure and ended up with a bit being left over inside her which became infected. It is nearly 6 weeks now and she is in constant pain which is also a reminder of something that was already a tough choice.

I am obviously pro-choice, but i think better support is required. I can't imaging how a 16 year old would cope with it as it is a traumatic event. When we went there, there were lots of god-botherers outside, they made it so much harder as they were telling her "your baby has a heartbeat", i wanted to knock hi out as that was not at all what she needed.

Sounds horrible. Hope she gets well soon,

[formant]

I think people need to be made aware of the risks, the girl i'm seeing fell pregnant before Christmas due to a coil failure (apparently 1 in 10000 chance), so we went for a "Christmas un-miracle" on Christmas eve. There were a few problems with the procedure and ended up with a bit being left over inside her which became infected. It is nearly 6 weeks now and she is in constant pain which is also a reminder of something that was already a tough choice.

I am obviously pro-choice, but i think better support is required. I can't imaging how a 16 year old would cope with it as it is a traumatic event. When we went there, there were lots of god-botherers outside, they made it so much harder as they were telling her "your baby has a heartbeat", i wanted to knock hi out as that was not at all what she needed.

God-bothering pro-lifers - tasteless as always.

Sorry to hear that.

[mudskipper]

God-bothering pro-lifers - tasteless as always.

Sorry to hear that.

To be fair, I don't think you have to be religious to be a pro-lifer, although no doubt many religious people are.

[formant]

To be fair, I don't think you have to be religious to be a pro-lifer, although no doubt many religious people are.

Yeah, but it's usually the religious ones that do the picketing/campaigning. :-/

[d000hg]

Yes it bloody is. The option to abort a child is to easy. Even if you have children and another accidently comes along the option for a woman to run to the doctors and take a pill without any thought to their partner is to bloody easy. Abortion is an easy way out these days as it's an easy hidden process and there is no longer any stigma.

Aren't you required to have multiple mandatory consultations first?

I think it's absurd to say it's no longer stigmatised. Maybe if your peer group are male IT people, but certainly not taking the nation as a whole.

[NotAllThere]

Woah, I'm to the 'right of Adolf' because I don't think any child deserves to be the penalty for his/her parents' lack of responsibility? ...

What - the parents were irresponsible so the children deserve death instead?

Bollocks. For pro-lifers the rights of the baby start and end at the right to being born. They don't care about what comes after, they don't want to think about just what horrible conditions an unwanted child can and often will be born into. I'm radically pro-choice, but I care a lot more about the *whole* life of the child than your average pro-lifer...

I'm sure some prolifers don't care about children after birth, I'm also sure that some pro-choicers don't care about women after they've had their abortion. It's what happens when you put ideology before people.

But to say that's the view of the averagel pro-lifer/choicer is magnificently ignorant.

I know plenty of people on both sides who are concerned with the well-being of all involved. My mother worked in BPAS for a while, and when a lady from LIFE came round, that lady was surprised to see that I was in the creche - she'd been fed the poison that all pro-choicers hate children. Similarly, my mother was surprised to learn that LIFE offers support for women during and after birth, if they choose to keep their child. She'd been fed the poison you apparently have eagerly supped.

Demonisation of the opposing side is common in the abortion debate. Best avoided.

Yeah, but it's usually the religious ones that do the picketing/campaigning. :-/

Because people you don't like are against something, you're automatically in favour? The quality of supporters doesn't really affect the ethics of the matter.

[d000hg]

I'm sure some prolifers don't care about children after birth, I'm also sure that some pro-choicers don't care about women after they've had their abortion..

zing.

[vetran]

Sorry had to point out that Abortion and post conception contraception are obviously different to standard contraception. You have a choice at this point, you have to make it.

I agreed with the original concept of abortion when it was detrimental to mother or child.

It is now however on demand. That like an EU superstate is not something we voted for. I believe we need to discuss this again.

I am horrified that anyone would describe the decision about aborting a child made by a couple is only the woman's decision. It is the couple's decision, its the couple's child. If you chose your man properly he will tell you that you have the final decision even though it will affect him deeply.

[MarillionFan]

Aren't you required to have multiple mandatory consultations first?

I think it's absurd to say it's no longer stigmatised. Maybe if your peer group are male IT people, but certainly not taking the nation as a whole.

I think it's absurd that youre talking for the nation as a whole.

If the number of 1 in 3 is correct, then you can pretty much assume there's not a huge level of stigma attached.