Panorama - abortion

[NotAllThere]

I'm not certain, but I seem to recall that while it is illegal to have an abortion in NI, there haven't been any prosecutions brought against those whomen who have.

[mudskipper]

Abortion is seen as a form of after the act contraception in my opinion. If you don't want kids take some responsibility for birth control.

I think it's a minority who use it as contraception, although no doubt it does happen. IMO, morning after pill (in terms of 'abortion') is no different to an IUD, in which a possibly fertilized egg is prevented from implanting - if my contraception failed, I'd have no moral qualms in taking it. But is there a difference between a lifestyle choice abortion and an abortion where, for example, the woman has raped? But both result in the termination of a pregnancy. I guess the difficulty is whether you see it as "a life" - if you do, then how can it be right in either situation, if you don't then lets have abortion on demand. It's one I struggle with - not something I feel I could do myself, but I don't have a problem with women who do.

[MarillionFan]

I think it's a minority who use it as contraception, although no doubt it does happen. IMO, morning after pill (in terms of 'abortion') is no different to an IUD, in which a possibly fertilized egg is prevented from implanting - if my contraception failed, I'd have no moral qualms in taking it. But is there a difference between a lifestyle choice abortion and an abortion where, for example, the woman has raped? But both result in the termination of a pregnancy. I guess the difficulty is whether you see it as "a life" - if you do, then how can it be right in either situation, if you don't then lets have abortion on demand. It's one I
struggle with - not something I feel I could do myself, but I don't have a problem with women who do.

1 in 3 is not a minority.

[mudskipper]

1 in 3 is not a minority.

Technically it is But I take your point. And I still wonder exactly what that figure meant.

[formant]

Pro-lifers view the rights of the baby as paramount.
Pro-choicers view the rights of the woman as paramount.

Bollocks. For pro-lifers the rights of the baby start and end at the right to being born. They don't care about what comes after, they don't want to think about just what horrible conditions an unwanted child can and often will be born into. I'm radically pro-choice, but I care a lot more about the *whole* life of the child than your average pro-lifer.

So, no doubt, many women (and men) are reckless in terms of contraception. Should they be forced to have the child on those grounds? Is that the sort of people you want to see reproducing? For the sake of the unborn child, it's particularly those who should be allowed to abort at their discretion.

[mudskipper]

Bollocks. For pro-lifers the rights of the baby start and end at the right to being born. They don't care about what comes after, they don't want to think about just what horrible conditions an unwanted child can and often will be born into. I'm radically pro-choice, but I care a lot more about the *whole* life of the child than your average pro-lifer.

Are you? In a previous thread you suggested that women who didn't abort an unwanted baby were mushy and hormonal. It didn't sound like you respected their choice.

[formant]

Are you? In a previous thread you suggested that women who didn't abort an unwanted baby were 'sentimental'. It didn't sound like you respected their choice.

That was in the context of forcing men to have (and pay for) children that they may not want. I want women to take sole responsibility for their choice (as ultimately it is their choice and nobody elses). But they must be given that choice.

Edit: What I have little respect for is women who retrospectively claim that they didn't have a choice following their unplanned conception, when they clearly did. The fact that some women can't handle the thought of having an abortion (I may call this hormonal or mushy) doesn't mean they had no choice and deserve pity.

[SupremeSpod]

Bollocks. For pro-lifers the rights of the baby start and end at the right to being born. They don't care about what comes after, they don't want to think about just what horrible conditions an unwanted child can and often will be born into. I'm radically pro-choice, but I care a lot more about the *whole* life of the child than your average pro-lifer.

So, no doubt, many women (and men) are reckless in terms of contraception. Should they be forced to have the child on those grounds? Is that the sort of people you want to see reproducing? For the sake of the unborn child, it's particularly those who should be allowed to abort at their discretion.

Have you studied Eugenics? You appear to be slightly to the right of Adolf, Ford and Roosevelt.

Btw, to some women, abortion has become another form of contraception.

[formant]

Have you studied Eugenics? You appear to be slightly to the right of Adolf, Ford and Roosevelt.

Btw, to some women, abortion has become another form of contraception.

Woah, I'm to the 'right of Adolf' because I don't think any child deserves to be the penalty for his/her parents' lack of responsibility?

Yes, for some it's another 'form of contraception'. Those unfortunately also aren't the the sort of people who'd be giving the child the life it deserves if they did have to keep it, so I do view abortion as the better option here. The better option amongst two pretty grim options.

[Ketchup]

I think people need to be made aware of the risks, the girl i'm seeing fell pregnant before Christmas due to a coil failure (apparently 1 in 10000 chance), so we went for a "Christmas un-miracle" on Christmas eve. There were a few problems with the procedure and ended up with a bit being left over inside her which became infected. It is nearly 6 weeks now and she is in constant pain which is also a reminder of something that was already a tough choice.

I am obviously pro-choice, but i think better support is required. I can't imaging how a 16 year old would cope with it as it is a traumatic event. When we went there, there were lots of god-botherers outside, they made it so much harder as they were telling her "your baby has a heartbeat", i wanted to knock hi out as that was not at all what she needed.