Panorama - abortion

[Ketchup]

Slapper.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MarillionFan again.

[SimonMac]

Oh Suity.

Don't call him Suity, he gets upset when reminded of the past!

I am not sure where this 1 in 3 figure comes from, it does sound very high, maybe they meant 1 in 3 pregnancies end in an abortion, again which I think is a bit high.

I have always wanted kids, so when the Ex-MrsMac became pregnant unexpectedly (implant failure) it wasn't a consideration, but I know everyones circumstances are different so its impossible for one sweeping statement on an internet forum to cover it.

[SimonMac]

I got myself knocked up at 16 through my own stupidity. My parents wanted me to have an abortion, but I felt it wasn't something I could do. My father at the time wanted nothing to do with me - 'that baby' wasn't living in his house. Social services put me in touch with a pro-life group that provided housing for teenage mums and babies, with support from a 'warden' who lived next door - they were definitely putting their money where their mouth was. As it was, dad came round, I stayed at home, and all ended happily ever after.

I must admit, when my own daughter was 16, I did wonder how I'd feel if she got herself in the same predicament...

[NotAllThere]

No, I apply common sense.

Ah, that old substitute for logic.

Putting the child's right to being born above all else unfortunately implies that the life of that child thereafter automatically is of secondary (or no) importance.

No it doesn't. There is also the position that the child's right to life before the child is born is equal to the right to decent life thereafter.

Anyway, if what you suggest were really implied, it would also apply to the argument of those religious nutters who are against leaving unwanted children to die on the hillside.

[SimonMac]

Abortion is seen as a form of after the act contraception in my opinion. If you don't want kids take some responsibility for birth control.

I don't think so, I think the consensus of opinion in some gymslip mums is not that abortion can solve the "problem", having a baby will solve the problem of what they want to do when they grow up

[cailin maith]

Very tricky subject. Aborting a perfectly healthy foetus when others struggle to conceive is a tricky subject to get ones head around.

WHS

Abortion is seen as a form of after the act contraception in my opinion. If you don't want kids take some responsibility for birth control.

WHS

to some women, abortion has become another form of contraception.

WHS

I think people need to be made aware of the risks, the girl i'm seeing fell pregnant before Christmas due to a coil failure (apparently 1 in 10000 chance), so we went for a "Christmas un-miracle" on Christmas eve. There were a few problems with the procedure and ended up with a bit being left over inside her which became infected. It is nearly 6 weeks now and she is in constant pain which is also a reminder of something that was already a tough choice.

I am obviously pro-choice, but i think better support is required. I can't imaging how a 16 year old would cope with it as it is a traumatic event. When we went there, there were lots of god-botherers outside, they made it so much harder as they were telling her "your baby has a heartbeat", i wanted to knock hi out as that was not at all what she needed.

How awful

[mudskipper]

Very tricky subject. Aborting a perfectly healthy foetus when others struggle to conceive is a tricky subject to get ones head around.

I don't think that others struggling to conceive comes into the equation - unless you're proposing adoption as an alternative? I would imagine carrying a baby and then giving it up at birth is the toughest option all round.

[cailin maith]

I don't think that others struggling to conceive comes into the equation - unless you're proposing adoption as an alternative? I would imagine carrying a baby and then giving it up at birth is the toughest option all round.

I think he means that if you have been trying for a baby and had countless miscarriages etc, the whole subject of abortion regardless of circumstances can play hell with your emotions and general view of things.

Just guessing at that - he might not mean that at all.

[mudskipper]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MarillionFan again.

-ve I trust!

[NotAllThere]

They didn't state whether the psychiatric study cited checked the mental health of women who gave up their baby for adoption against those who kept the child. They only stated that there was no mental health difference between those who had abortion and those who didn't.

The pro-choice position was quite neatly stated last night. The contents of the womb have no rights which supercede those of the woman. The law doesn't quite seem to have this view; the law is based, it seems to me, on "the lesser of two evils".

It'd probably be easier if it was framed as a statement of rights. If you establish a right - that's it: end of story. If you're arguing about which is worse - that's necessarily subjective.

I was reading earlier that the main reason the abortion act was not extended to NI, was that it was felt that too many doctors and nurses would opt out on grounds of conscience.