On religion

[d000hg]

god does not exist

Damn, now I see the flaw in my argument.

Jesus was not his son as such and was not sacrficied as he rejoined God in heaven for eternity, not really the same as my son dying and me never getting to see him again.

Even if Jesus did die and God lost contact with him then God could simply get him back exactly as he was and lose nothing - he can do anything as he is all powerful.

You're just repeating the same argument over and over. People have responded to those points so either agree, agree to disagree, or post a come-back rather than repeating what you already said.

[EternalOptimist]

in 4 words there is demonstratably more evidence for me existence than in 3000 years of recorded history.

i word swap that crediblity for the church's amassed land and titles of course.......

dont forget to get the spellchecker off them as well

[NotAllThere]

in 4 words there is demonstratably more evidence for me existence than in 3000 years of recorded history.

i word swap that crediblity for the church's amassed land and titles of course.......

The language of these forums is English.

[speling bee]

He could give free will without humans causing him - he can do anything as he is all powerful.

He doesn't want to. He wants humans to have what he views as real free will. I want my children to have the capacity to make mistakes.

God could have done this without sacrificing anyone or anything - he can do anything as he is all powerful.

Jesus was not his son as such and was not sacrficied as he rejoined God in heaven for eternity, not really the same as my son dying and me never getting to see him again.

Even if Jesus did die and God lost contact with him then God could simply get him back exactly as he was and lose nothing - he can do anything as he is all powerful.

But he wanted to sacrifice his son because he loved the world so much.

Jesus was his son as such. The Father begat the son and God made Jesus his son because he wanted to and is all powerful.

If your son dies and yo are both saved you will see him again. But not the same because you and God are not the same.

Jesus did die but God didn't 'lose contact with him'. They are part of the Godhead.

[NotAllThere]

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Jesus did die but God didn't 'lose contact with him'. They are part of the Godhead.

Eloi eloi lama sabacthani.

[MyUserName]

You're just repeating the same argument over and over. People have responded to those points so either agree, agree to disagree, or post a come-back rather than repeating what you already said.

People have responded previously but now we have the angle that God is outside of logic and is all powerful. Hence this has a new slant which I am curious about.

Put simply:

If God is all powerful then he can achieve anything he wants without causing suffering either directly or indirectly via people.

If God is all powerful then he cannot sacrifice anything as he can get anything back or change reality as he wants. So the Jesus story which is the cornerstone of Christianity is a complete falacy. Which is probably why the gospels vary so much about what happened.

[speling bee]

Eloi eloi lama sabacthani.

Jesus the man cries out, but of course the Father had not foresaken him (if I remember the translation correctly).

[d000hg]

People have responded previously but now we have the angle that God is outside of logic

I skipped that part; it was getting a little metaphysical for me.

[speling bee]

People have responded previously but now we have the angle that God is outside of logic and is all powerful. Hence this has a new slant which I am curious about.

Put simply:

If God is all powerful then he can achieve anything he wants without causing suffering either directly or indirectly via people.

If God is all powerful then he cannot sacrifice anything as he can get anything back or change reality as he wants. So the Jesus story which is the cornerstone of Christianity is a complete falacy. Which is probably why the gospels vary so much about what happened.

God doesn't cause suffering directly or indirectly. If you want to say that free will is indirectly causing harm, then that is the price God puts on free will. So what? Should governments impose strict curfews to lower crime or do we accept suffering as a trade off for freedom.

Of course God can sacrifice things that he can get back. He is all powerful so can do anything. So the rest of your paragraph falls apart.

[doomage]

Let's not forget, absentee father at best, no mention of child support either.