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    Originally posted by speling bee View Post
    Then maybe God is outside of logic. Then he is all powerful.
    He sounds like Chuck Norris.

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      Originally posted by speling bee View Post
      Then maybe God is outside of logic. Then he is all powerful.
      Then if he is all powerful he could teach humanity all of the required lessons etc without causing harm, suffering etc. He could also design humans such that they do not do these things to each other whilst keeping free will etc intact. He could do all of this as he could do anything.

      Also, the sacrifice of Jesus was not a sacrifice as he can simply create other dimensions where Jesus's death was not required and spend time with him then.

      He could also create a far better and happier world than this whilst still meeting his objectives and is simply chosing not to - if this God is real I would definitely not worship him.
      "He's actually ripped" - Jared Padalecki

      https://youtu.be/l-PUnsCL590?list=PL...dNeCyi9a&t=615

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        Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
        Then if he is all powerful he could teach humanity all of the required lessons etc without causing harm, suffering etc. He could also design humans such that they do not do these things to each other whilst keeping free will etc intact. He could do all of this as he could do anything.

        Also, the sacrifice of Jesus was not a sacrifice as he can simply create other dimensions where Jesus's death was not required and spend time with him then.

        He could also create a far better and happier world than this whilst still meeting his objectives and is simply chosing not to - if this God is real I would definitely not worship him.
        Yes he could. How do you know what his objectives are?
        The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.

        George Frederic Watts

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_Park

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          Originally posted by speling bee View Post
          Yes he could. How do you know what his objectives are?
          I don't but I don't need to. He could meet them without causing harm and suffering as he is all powerful.

          Therefore all of the harm in this world is being caused by his choice (he could do anything without causing any harm at all as he can do anything) - this is not a God I would worship even if I believed in him.
          "He's actually ripped" - Jared Padalecki

          https://youtu.be/l-PUnsCL590?list=PL...dNeCyi9a&t=615

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            Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
            I don't but I don't need to. He could meet them without causing harm and suffering as he is all powerful.

            Therefore all of the harm in this world is being caused by his choice (he could do anything without causing any harm at all as he can do anything) - this is not a God I would worship even if I believed in him.
            He isn't causing harm. He is giving free will, and then humans cause harm. But God so love the world that he sees his own blameless son suffer on the cross and take on mankind's sins, so that even though humans have caused harm through their sinful misuse of free will, they may be saved.
            The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.

            George Frederic Watts

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_Park

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              god does not exist

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                Originally posted by znuffzz View Post
                god does not exist
                Of course, but we're talking about what type of god does not exist.
                The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.

                George Frederic Watts

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_Park

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                  Originally posted by znuffzz View Post
                  god does not exist
                  znuffzz does not exist. In fact, if you see my earlier post, nothing exists.
                  Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                    Originally posted by speling bee View Post
                    He isn't causing harm. He is giving free will, and then humans cause harm.
                    He could give free will without humans causing him - he can do anything as he is all powerful.


                    Originally posted by speling bee View Post
                    But God so love the world that he sees his own blameless son suffer on the cross and take on mankind's sins, so that even though humans have caused harm through their sinful misuse of free will, they may be saved.
                    God could have done this without sacrificing anyone or anything - he can do anything as he is all powerful.

                    Jesus was not his son as such and was not sacrficied as he rejoined God in heaven for eternity, not really the same as my son dying and me never getting to see him again.

                    Even if Jesus did die and God lost contact with him then God could simply get him back exactly as he was and lose nothing - he can do anything as he is all powerful.
                    "He's actually ripped" - Jared Padalecki

                    https://youtu.be/l-PUnsCL590?list=PL...dNeCyi9a&t=615

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                      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                      znuffzz does not exist. In fact, if you see my earlier post, nothing exists.
                      in 4 words there is demonstratably more evidence for me existence than in 3000 years of recorded history.

                      i word swap that crediblity for the church's amassed land and titles of course.......

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