Starbucks

[Robinho]

Have you just reread the utter tripe you posted in the last thread?

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Have you just reread the utter tripe you posted in the last thread?

**** me, a stalker. No, you can't have my babies.

[Scoobos]

So when we avoid tax, the government is evil for vilifying us. When someone else does it, they should be taken to task?

You make the horrible assumption that we are all LTD company contractors as a tax avoidance engine.

I'm a contractor only due to legislation introduced which forced us to take on NI, PAYE and Eer's NI liabilities; in order to have access to this type of freelance work.

I pay myself a reasonable (industry standard) salary with the same tax implications as the majority of this country; to label a single man LTD as a tax avoidance method really grinds my gears.

Is there another way to work temporary contracts based on single objectives?

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So when we avoid tax, the government is evil for vilifying us. When someone else does it, they should be taken to task?

Nope, they should be treated equally. They should either leave us alone or go after these companies with the same vigour they have shown with IR35 and other legislation, regardless of size and more importantly, influence.

[Robinho]

You make the horrible assumption that we are all LTD company contractors as a tax avoidance engine.

I'm a contractor only due to legislation introduced which forced us to take on NI, PAYE and Eer's NI liabilities; in order to have access to this type of freelance work.

I pay myself a reasonable (industry standard) salary with the same tax implications as the majority of this country; to label a single man LTD as a tax avoidance method really grinds my gears.

Is there another way to work temporary contracts based on single objectives?

The thing is you might be paying employer's NI but the employer isn't instead, so you can just negotiate more money.

[vetran]

I'm Starbucks!

sorry just thought we needed a Gladiator angle!

[d000hg]

You make the horrible assumption that we are all LTD company contractors as a tax avoidance engine.

No I don't. I make the assumption that most of us took the Ltd route as the only sensible option, and subsequently use the Ltd to avoid tax... if you take dividends you are avoiding tax just as I am.

[d000hg]

Nope, they should be treated equally. They should either leave us alone or go after these companies with the same vigour they have shown with IR35 and other legislation, regardless of size and more importantly, influence.

I'm not talking about 'they'. I'm talking about how people on CUK, who avoid tax and think this is defendable, are complaining about corporations using their own tax avoidance strategies.

If we are within our rights to avoid tax within the law, so are Starbucks.

[BlasterBates]

I would just like to point out that there are 1.4 million freelancers in the UK and there was 23 investigations into IR35.

Maybe we shouldn't be baying too hard for blood.

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No I don't. I make the assumption that most of us took the Ltd route as the only sensible option, and subsequently use the Ltd to avoid tax... if you take dividends you are avoiding tax just as I am.

c1972 there were a large number of agents/self proclaimed self employed, mainly engineers, welders, skilled construction workers who based themselves in places like Shannon Airport and racked up huge debts to HMRC for NI and tax. They took all the money and intentionally went bust costing the revenue much moolah.

Hence the 1973 Agencies Act and other instruments that IIRC threatened to make the end client liable for such debts. This was enough to scare large users of temps/contractors into forcing their resources to be VAT registered and use the Limited model or be offered no work.

1980 onwards and the advent of technology increased the demand for such mobile tech and knowledge based skills. Umbrellas weren't around yet and end clients almost always insisted that the Ltd model was used.

The fact that we have more latitude in arranging our affairs than a temp or employee was yet another unintended consequence of policy. It legitimised (at the time) our way of working and gave us significant benefits.

Outside of an umbrella, none of use actually choose to work the way we do. We were forced into it. Since NL came to power, we have been hounded for it. Even though many politicians of all flavours including the Millitwits arranged their affairs similarly even to the point of avoiding inheritance tax.