A thread to bully all hypocritical God-bothering twunts ...

[sasguru]

No, I'm not in the habit of collecting other peoples' medical records! What do you want, a "Medical Miracle" certificate?

As a serious question, apart from seeing super-dramatic something happen with your own eyes, is there anything I could produce that would convince you? I contend there is not - two medical notes months apart could be explained by 'well sometimes people get better', it's not like she had an eye test the day before conveniently so she could get another 2 days later.

I repeat, serious question.

I would require a medical doctor to certify the person as medically blind before the prayer and completely seeing just after.
I think that's fair enough, since I'm not gullible enough to believe "super-dramatic" events knowing what I know about human psychology, genuine self-delusion and duplicity.
Without such documentary evidence I'm more inclined to believe in a psychological explanation, by Occam's razor.

HTH

[nomadd]

That's utterly untrue. Systematic Theology covers biblical doctrine in huge depth. Even reading the New Testament as an amateur provides answers - I doubt you'd like them but that's not the same as saying it's not answered.

It's exactly the same as saying not answered.

Just saying, "Well I believe such-and-such a thing..." is not an answer. Ever. No matter how many people decide to repeat that mantra over the centuries...

[TimberWolf]

Should the 'God Delusion' be taught in school as well as the Gods stuff?

[d000hg]

As I said before if a lottery is arranged such that someone wins everyone week, then it's a mathematical certainty that someone will win every week.
That has nothing to do with a supernatural event, not even as an analogy.

I think you missed what we were discussing.

[d000hg]

It's exactly the same as saying not answered.

Just saying, "Well I believe such-and-such a thing..." is not an answer. Ever. No matter how many people decide to repeat that mantra over the centuries...

No. You asked how Christianity explains why some people are healed and others, often lovely people, are not, while still claiming that God is good. You didn't ask me to prove the theological answer was correct, just that there was a solid theological answer to the question.

[nomadd]

You didn't ask me to prove the theological answer was correct, just that there was a solid theological answer to the question.

And hence the answer you gave was incorrect (...outside the closeted world, and minds, of Theologians and their Believers.) Finally, my son, we agree on something.

[d000hg]

I would require a medical doctor to certify the person as medically blind before the prayer and completely seeing just after....
Without such documentary evidence I'm more inclined to believe in a psychological explanation, by Occam's razor.

I really don't buy that if I simply showed two eyetests or whatever with big differences, from successive days, that you would believe it Doctors clearly are also not going to be keen to attribute non-scientific causes to changes on official paperwork.

I only know personally of one event close to this. A doctor who treated someone in our church who had totally recovered from a very serious road accident she was expected to die from, came and spoke about it on the 10-year (IIRC) anniversary of it. He was clearly uncomfortable as he explained that medically there was no explanation for what had happened. I can't remember if he told us about, or showed on a slide, the note in her paperwork which said "this woman should not be alive" or very similar.
Again - I don't have that paperwork but since we hear stories in the news of people doing a marathon who "would never walk again" it's easy to find a way out.

Should the 'God Delusion' be taught in school as well as the Gods stuff?

Well Dawkins is more of an evangelist than most Christians. I thought they did cover atheism at school in RE? Or maybe it's considered that teaching physics and evolution is automatically the counterpart of religion? Though it's not really since even Darwin didn't think his work ruled out the idea of God.

[d000hg]

And hence the answer you gave was incorrect (...outside the closeted world, and minds, of Theologians and their Believers.) Finally, my son, we agree on something.

So you want me to give you an answer, in your value system, which explains something from a totally different world view? That's not what you said originally.

You said that theologians squirm and don't have an answer. Now you're saying they have an answer but it doesn't apply. You shouldn't need to deflect and change the question if a)you wanted an answer b)you are sure you're right.

So are you asking if Christianity can explain why only some people get healed? Or are you saying you don't care if it can or not? If the latter, what exactly is your point or did you just want to have a meaningless argument on the internet?

[Zoiderman]

You're proper mad you are...

[nomadd]

So you want me to give you an answer, in your value system, which explains something from a totally different world view? That's not what you said originally.

You said that theologians squirm and don't have an answer. Now you're saying they have an answer but it doesn't apply. You shouldn't need to deflect and change the question if a)you wanted an answer b)you are sure you're right.

So are you asking if Christianity can explain why only some people get healed? Or are you saying you don't care if it can or not? If the latter, what exactly is your point or did you just want to have a meaningless argument on the internet?

Good god (pun intended) man, you really do know how to tie yourself in knots! Classic.

Sure I still want an answer, but you can't give one (at least not a sensible one.) And now you've squirmed - and deflected - your way into a corner with in the introduction of "value systems."

Come on, d000hg, your not dealing with idiots on this forum (as much as we all like to play around a bit in General.) Please, stop being silly and trying to justify something that is simply unjustifiable and purely your belief.

Oh, and I never argue, even meaninglessly, and especially not on the Internet (it's a very serious place, you know. )