A thread to bully all hypocritical God-bothering twunts ...

[sasguru]

I really don't buy that if I simply showed two eyetests or whatever with big differences, from successive days, that you would believe it Doctors clearly are also not going to be keen to attribute non-scientific causes to changes on official paperwork.

I only know personally of one event close to this. A doctor who treated someone in our church who had totally recovered from a very serious road accident she was expected to die from, came and spoke about it on the 10-year (IIRC) anniversary of it. He was clearly uncomfortable as he explained that medically there was no explanation for what had happened. I can't remember if he told us about, or showed on a slide, the note in her paperwork which said "this woman should not be alive" or very similar.
Again - I don't have that paperwork but since we hear stories in the news of people doing a marathon who "would never walk again" it's easy to find a way out.
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I'm sure there are plenty of people over the years (albeit a minority in the general scheme of things) who have made unexpected recoveries that have the doctors surprised. Almost certainly that includes Muslims and atheists who've never uttered a prayer. That's simply human variability - it doesn't need to be ascribed a supernatural provenance.
Your making simple phenomena fit your prior beliefs again.

[d000hg]

I'm sure there are plenty of people over the years (albeit a minority in the general scheme of things) who have made unexpected recoveries that have the doctors surprised. Almost certainly that includes Muslims and atheists who've never uttered a prayer. That's simply human variability - it doesn't need to be ascribed a supernatural provenance.
Your making simple phenomena fit your prior beliefs again.

Nowhere did I (or the bible) say God only heals Christians. None of the people Jesus healed were Christians! Nowhere did I say miracles only happen in response to prayer either.

[d000hg]

Come on, d000hg, your not dealing with idiots on this forum

Now I know you're just trolling

If the thread survives and I remember I'll summarise my view of what the Bible says - which is largely what I think - on the matter. But I think we might have done this before...

[sasguru]

Nowhere did I (or the bible) say God only heals Christians. None of the people Jesus healed were Christians! Nowhere did I say miracles only happen in response to prayer either.

I think I'm beginning to understand you. A "miracle" to you is some unusual event on the extreme edges of the normal distribution with a very low (but not zero) probability of occurring.

[sasguru]

Now I know you're just trolling

If the thread survives and I remember I'll summarise my view of what the Bible says - which is largely what I think ...

Why do you agree with the probably often changed and modified, much Chinese-whispered, views of some ancient, generally uneducated Jews who existed two millenia ago, one of which was probably on drugs?

[BrilloPad]

Why do you agree with the probably often changed and modified, much Chinese-whispered, views of some ancient, generally uneducated Jews who existed two millenia ago, one of which was probably on drugs?

Personally I find that the church has been very benefical to me over the last few years. And as our priest says, at a minimum you meet a better class of people. Plus some of the good stuff rubs off on the kids.

I am also impressed at the way that Christianity has shaped the most successful economies of the world. Interesting that just as the West is becoming less christian, The East is doing better economically? I agree there is no direct correlation - but IMO the two are linked.

[d000hg]

Scientific research shows the version of the biblical books we have is far closer to the original than other documents of similar ages. Oral tradition is how they remembered history back then and they were good at it.

Come on Sas for someone who claims to be about the facts you do walk right into stereotyped arguments. Go read Case for Christ or something and at least avoid the boring questions.

[sasguru]

I am also impressed at the way that Christianity has shaped the most successful economies of the world. Interesting that just as the West is becoming less christian, The East is doing better economically? I agree there is no direct correlation - but IMO the two are linked.

So the East is becoming more Christian? News to me.
Logic isn't really your strong point, is it?

[nomadd]

And as our priest says, at a minimum you meet a better class of people

Which is a truly despicable statement. I'd suggest finding a better priest.

[sasguru]

Scientific research shows the version of the biblical books we have is far closer to the original than other documents of similar ages. Oral tradition is how they remembered history back then and they were good at it.

Come on Sas for someone who claims to be about the facts you do walk right into stereotyped arguments. Go read Case for Christ or something and at least avoid the boring questions.

You keep talking about stereotyped arguments and yet fail spectacularly to put your point across e.g. giving us credible evidence for a "miracle".
Maybe these arguments sound "stereotyped" because they've been used so often to drum sense into closed-minded religious types?
Is the Bible closer to the original than the Koran? Are the writers of the Bible more accurate than those of the Koran?
If you agree in the principle of holy books, you must logically agree with the Islamic terrorist who has to kill the "kuffar"?
Or is your holy book more accurate than theirs? And if so, why?