P*ss P**r pay

[DodgyAgent]

It amazes me that anyone wants to be an engineer at all. this is ad for a civil engineer for Atkins -

Permanent
Pay
£26,000 - £35,000
Reference
1632124
Apply for Civil Design Engineer
Add to job shortlistCivil Design Engineer
My clients Design and Engineering team are seeking enthusiastic and ambitious civil engineers with experience delivering reinforced concrete designs in a variety of discipline fields. The candidate would be a Chartered Engineer, or approaching chartered status with relevant design experience, including successfully delivery of schemes from inception to construction completion.

Team Background - Our Engineering design team work on a diverse range of projects in the UK and overseas including;
Heavy Civil engineering design for industrial facilities and power stations Specialist blast and structure design Airport and airfield planning & detailed design Marine structures design Infrastructure design for a variety of schemes including; masterplanning, pavement, drainage, highways, utilities, geotechnical works and land remediation

In addition we provide the core management and the technical support to the Atkins Major Project division responsible for £multi-million design projects such as Crossrail, Olympics, New Jeddah airport, UK defence facilities and the nuclear new build programme.


Requirements
Degree qualified, Civil Engineer Incorporated Engineer, Chartered Engineer, or approaching chartered status. Post graduate experience in a heavy civils design environment Proven track record in RC design delivery RC design experience Foundation design experience, experience of seismic design an advantage Ability to deliver to current design codes Good communicator (written, verbal & presentations) Able to develop and motivate others A Winning attitude

Responsibilities
Design Engineer for a variety of civil & structural designs Design analysis Technical ownership for designs Delivery of design calculations, reports and drawings Management and Development of graduate engineers and technicians
Rewards and Benefits
25 days paid annual leave + 8 bank holidays + the ability to buy and sell additional leave Contributory Occupational Pension Life Assurance Scheme Personal accident cover Share incentive plan (after 6 months service) Professional fees paid Give as you earn – charity contributions Private medical insurance discount Employee Assistance Programme – 24 hour free advice Childcare vouchers Sports and social activities*

If I was being paid that for the skills and experience that is required I would'nt be wanting to give anything to charity.

I remember seeing adverts for Centrica offering similar low levels of pay for Engineers alongside job adverts for recruitment consultants for £65 - £75K.
I am a recruitment consultant myself (part time of course) and I can see why companies are paying these sums for the likes of us. I could say it is because we are more important than the Engineers - but we are not. It is just that companies have been hoodwinked into believing that they are getting top rate recruiters prepared to work for less in a different environment. The truth of course is that what they are actually getting is mediocre recruiters for who £65 k is a huge improvement on their basic salaries.

The moral of the story is - stick to IT

[BrilloPad]

The moral of the story is - stick to recruitment

FTFY

[vetran]

Engineers are still seen as dirty and a cost centre, recruitment cons use soft skills and sales so they must be important.

Always amazed me that people who could barely understand the product but had a good handicap got paid more than the guys that designed it. But I suspect most of us tend to be Dilbertesque in some way, wonder why we don't have any engineering any more?

[BlasterBates]

Par for the course

Here's one for an Electrical Engineer

Electrical & Plant Design Engineer job - York - March-19-2012 (Cw6BD)

30 grand a year plus a company bike.

When I was in Engineering it was normal to do overtime so you could more or less get 50% on top. I don't know how it is with jobs these days, and you would be on a 37 hour week, so 10-15 hours overtime wasn't hard to fit in.

[doodab]

Welcome to modern Britain, where actually doing stuff is considered monkeys work and bulltulipting is the only valuable skill.

[Doggy Styles]

Electrical & Plant Design Engineer job - York - March-19-2012 (Cw6BD)

30 grand a year plus a company bike.

I know, it's a Shambles isn't it.

Actually, you can live like a king in York on 30K.

And they are in the FA Trophy final.

[Doggy Styles]

You can imagine how you can live in South Wales on £40/hr.

You'd get your house burnt down.

[vetran]

Not if Zeity came to the door!

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

35k isn't as bad as you might think. That's what permie software developers get paid oop north. The permie role I left a couple of years ago was for 27k and there were other developers on less.

[BrilloPad]

35k isn't as bad as you might think. That's what permie software developers get paid oop north. The permie role I left a couple of years ago was for 27k and there were other developers on less.

How on earth do you afford kumquats on that?