Greenism in it's death throes

[milanbenes]

the UK has a simple answer

barrage across the severn

it has been discussed for over one hundred years

get on with it

Milan.

[doodab]

The greatest irony will be when the penny finally drops and we find we don't have enough fossil fuels to build all the windmills we need.

I agree with MF, an organised cull of people who aren't like me will solve the problems.

[pjclarke]

Lets be frank, the solar industry can not stand on its own two feet. I heartily wish it was not so, but we have to have honesty in this debate.

The coal industry was massively subsidised until recently ....

UK coal producers received around £162 million of operating aid during 2000-02 and £53 million of investment aid during 2003-08, but the Government are not currently paying any subsidy for coal production.

See also ... Fossil fuel subsidies are 10 times those of renewables, figures show | Environment | guardian.co.uk

[TimberWolf]

the UK has a simple answer

barrage across the severn

it has been discussed for over one hundred years

get on with it

Milan.

Sorry, too sensible, dependable and predictable and the UK doesn't do big engineering. The Greens probably also hate it because the wildlife sanctuary thus created would involve change.

[TimberWolf]

The greatest irony will be when the penny finally drops and we find we don't have enough fossil fuels to build all the windmills we need.

I agree with MF, an organised cull of people who aren't like me will solve the problems.

What's a bit frightening about windmills is that they have to be rebuilt every 20 years, and that will have to be done under windmill power.

[doodab]

What's a bit frightening about windmills is that they have to be rebuilt every 20 years, and that will have to be done under windmill power.

Or slave labour.

Has anyone considered giant hamster wheels for the unemployed? That could go some way to solving the obesity epidemic as well, especially if combined with a "not feeding tariff"

[OwlHoot]

Global economic growth: 3.8%.
Global population growth: 1.2%.

And the bigger threat would be .... ?

So you go along with quasi-communist George Monbiot in putting all the blame on the rich and decadent West?

His basic point about resource use being proportional to GDP, and thus growing with it, it bollocks in a
developed economy. Otherwise our per-capita use of resources would have increased five-fold or something since the 1970s, which it obviously hasn't (although I'd concede air travel adds up to a big increase).

However, that relation is more applicable in developing countries, which are mostly those whose populations are rising fastest. So yes, deny it though Monbiot does (out of obvious political prejudice against the prosperous West), even by his own criterion population growth is the biggest threat.

[Old Greg]

Good old Terence:

Terence Corcoran whopper: Mann’s hockey stick “eliminated some of the data from 1960 forward … and then spliced on actual temperature data” | Deep Climate

'Terence Corcoran whopper: Mann’s hockey stick “eliminated some of the data from 1960 forward … and then spliced on actual temperature data”Posted on July 9, 2010 by Deep Climate|

Terence Corcoran may well have just unleashed the National Post’s biggest whopper yet about climate science – and that’s saying something.

Corcoran’s commentary on the recent Russell “climategate” email review lays one error-laden defamation on top of another, as he attempts to demonstrate that the report “provides plenty of evidence that climate science has been and remains an uncertain shambles”. Oh, and apparently the review “portrays climate science as a field filled with uncertainty, debate, lack of openness, data hoarding and ill-will.”

Along the way, Corcoran even manages to confuse a little known Phil Jones graphic with Michael Mann’s “hockey stick” millenial temperature reconstruction. This leads to the astonishing (and entirely wrong) accusation that the hockey stick creators “eliminated some of the data from 1960 forward … and then spliced on actual temperature data”. Yet neither the “hockey stick” graph (the real one) nor the associated Mann et al study are mentioned in the report at all!

The National Post, of course, is the most prolific purveyor of “business section climate science”, that is to say, anti-science propaganda. In an interesting twist, though, Corcoran claims that the Muir Russell report is no “whitewash” – if one reads the hidden messages between the lines. Thus begins another instalment of vintage Post “black-is-white and up-is-down” spin...'

[BlasterBates]

Good old Terence:

Terence Corcoran whopper: Mann’s hockey stick “eliminated some of the data from 1960 forward … and then spliced on actual temperature data” | Deep Climate

Good old Deep Climate. Who is Deep Climate?

I am a Canadian citizen residing in Canada. For private and professional reasons, I prefer to remain anonymous to the general public, at least for now.

So this is an authorative source isn't it? an anonymous Canadian citizen. Who is he? what does this anonymous citizen do?

Perhaps he's a refuse collector who knows:

Here is a comment from Professor Judith Curry a prominent climate scientist.

There is no question that the diagrams and accompanying text in the IPCC TAR, AR4 and WMO 1999 are misleading. I was misled. Upon considering the material presented in these reports, it did not occur to me that recent paleo data was not consistent with the historical record. The one statement in AR4 (put in after McIntyre’s insistence as a reviewer) that mentions the divergence problem is weak tea.

It is obvious that there has been deletion of adverse data in figures shown IPCC AR3 and AR4, and the 1999 WMO document. Not only is this misleading, but it is dishonest (I agree with Muller on this one). The authors defend themselves by stating that there has been no attempt to hide the divergence problem in the literature, and that the relevant paper was referenced. I infer then that there is something in the IPCC process or the authors’ interpretation of the IPCC process (i.e. don’t dilute the message) that corrupted the scientists into deleting the adverse data in these diagrams.

Hiding the Decline | Climate Etc.

Judith Curry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Old Greg]

Good old Deep Climate. Who is Deep Climate?



So this is an authorative source isn't it? an anonymous Canadian citizen. Who is he? what does this anonymous citizen do?

Perhaps he's a refuse collector who knows:

Here is a comment from Professor Judith Curry a prominent climate scientist.




Hiding the Decline | Climate Etc.

Judith Curry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

glad to hear you're upping the game and we need authoritative sources! Can't we stick to creationists?