Romanian Gypsies

[Mich the Tester]

it's. Not. Our. Problem

That's what everyone says. They're Europeans; like it or not, that makes this Europe's problem. It'll also be our problem when they come back in a bad mood.

[cojak]

Here is a very good site about the Roma,

Roma People - Gypsies - Crystalinks

I worry that the biggest barrier is indeed cultural, from both sides.

Roma have a central concept of purity laws (marhime), so they won't pick up litter or rubbish for example. Also their views on material ownership are loosely defined, to say the least.

I must say, the problem does need to be sorted, and by those more qualified than the regulars on this forum.

[SupremeSpod]

Here is a very good site about the Roma,

Roma People - Gypsies - Crystalinks

I worry that the biggest barrier is indeed cultural, from both sides.

Roma have a central concept of purity laws (marhime), so they won't pick up litter or rubbish for example. Also their views on material ownership are loosely defined, to say the least.

I must say, the problem does need to be sorted, and by those more qualified than the regulars on this forum.

Ya think?

[minestrone]

Roma have a central concept of purity laws (marhime), so they won't pick up litter or rubbish for example. Also their views on material ownership are loosely defined, to say the least.

That must be why they just open the windows and chuck the rubbish out into the garden.

[CheeseSlice]

apparently some land is going up for sale near where I live and may end up becoming a semi permanent site for gypsies.

the people of our good town have clubbed together and are going to by the land - it is currently fields but we may look to turn it back into woodland.

This may be the same trick used by some *Romany gypsies I read about in Berkshire. There is a family that basically camps illegally in a town until they are removed. Under new planning laws introduced by Labour, councils must now provide more dedicated sites for Romany to settle on. If there is no land available, they must free up land that in some cases may be green-belt land and not for sale to ordinary people. The Romany travellers can buy this land at a low price since it can't be built on, but then somehow over time they can change the planning status and sell the land off to anyone at a higher price - often locals who want them to leave.

I cant find the article I read, but THIS one cites a similar strategy (or scam) as described by a solicitor who deals with traveller disputes:

"I think the gipsy and traveller activity is really a form of property speculation.

"If you buy a plot of land outside a village or town, where no one else would get planning permission, you pay a lot less for it.

"Then if you compromise the planning status you have a chance to get what ultimately becomes planning permission on the land, thereby multiplying its value ten times or more.

"A lot of travellers are very organised and clever. They realised they'll make a lot of money out of it.

(*romany not roma. Not sure if there is a difference, but Romany AFAIK can potentially be born in the UK to Romany parents and still retain their traveller or nomadic people status - thus entitling them to specific rights under our laws).

[xoggoth]

Unless it's some purely private practice that affects nobody else, the modern idea that human rights can somehow exist in isolation from everyone else's is a nonsense, there has to be a balance of one person's rights against another. People should also have a right to not be pestered by beggars and not have their goods stolen or land squatted or be excluded from car parks or other public areas they have paid for out of their council taxes.

We also have to take account of human nature, if the productive and law abiding are continually expected to make sacrifices for those they perceive as undeserving this destroys incentive and the cohesion of our society. This unnatural concern for the whole of humanity that is forced on those of us who are not saints comes at a huge price. How can we expect our own welfare recipients to be more self sufficient if they see those from other nations getting tax money with no questions asked and to very little effect? Why should we be expected to take responsibility for our own children or elderly if we have already paid huge sums caring for everyone else's? Why should we want to pay taxes when so much is spent on those who cause us problems?

How the Roma or anyone else got to the position they did is a matter of debate. The reality of those in the UK is that a) By and large, for whatever reason, they really are mostly useless and b) they are not a British problem. If people want to help out of charity that's fine, if the EU want to spend some of our money to get them into work that's perhaps acceptable (although I would not hold my breath that it would work) but it is entirely unreasonable that the entire problem should fall on some individuals just by reason of their location.

Wandering off topic now, but it isn't so much distribution of wealth that is the problem, it's the people who vote for it and then try and make sure that the burden falls on others rather than share in paying for it themselves. You see so much of this, leftist concerns about employment rights, the disabled, tenants etc and then, instead of the costs being shared equably through tax we gets laws clobbering small businesses, landlords or whoever else is unpopular at the time.

[DimPrawn]

They are starting to take on bigger houses with multiple rooms and filling them with dozens of people. Imagine that happened in your street?

FFS, move somewhere decent.

If I left stuff outside my mansion, people would knock on the door and complain I'm making the neighbourhood look untidy.

You guys really do live in tulipsville.

PS.

I did see someone local the other day driving a car worth less than £70K. Does that count?

[Boudica]

FFS, move somewhere decent.

If I left stuff outside my mansion, people would knock on the door and complain I'm making the neighbourhood look untidy.

explains why you don't leave the house, doomy

[realityhack]

Unless it's some purely private practice that affects nobody else, the modern idea that human rights can somehow exist in isolation from everyone else's is a nonsense, there has to be a balance of one person's rights against another. People should also have a right to not be pestered by beggars and not have their goods stolen or land squatted or be excluded from car parks or other public areas they have paid for out of their council taxes.

Absolutely agree with you there, Xog.

How the Roma or anyone else got to the position they did is a matter of debate. The reality of those in the UK is that a) By and large, for whatever reason, they really are mostly useless

Really? Perhaps yes, if you generalise and look at their contribution to our society, through the lens of what we regard as useful. Perhaps not, if you consider the contribution to society many Roma/Romany people have made. Unfortunately, most people will only see the scrotes of the community - as they're the ones picking pockets while the vast majority exclude themselves from contact with non-Romanies.

and b) they are not a British problem. If people want to help out of charity that's fine, if the EU want to spend some of our money to get them into work that's perhaps acceptable (although I would not hold my breath that it would work) but it is entirely unreasonable that the entire problem should fall on some individuals just by reason of their location.

Actually, they've been a British problem for hundreds of years. If problem is the word, then they're pretty much a worldwide problem.

Every sympathy to those affected by Romany or Didicoy crime and squalor, wherever you might live... but tarring them all with the same brush is ignorant.

[minestrone]

While the title of the thread may be misleading the OP was about the recent Roma settlers to this country.