McKinnon to be extradited

[EternalOptimist]

I would like to come back to an earlier point about some of the 'miracle recoveries' we have seen when doctors have used a diagnosis to influence a case.

I bet if it was against the law to have aspergers and it carried a heavy sentance, Mckinnon would find a dozen doctors to say he was cured

[AtW]

Your Wikipedia search didn't find it for you? FWIW, the professional you are casting aspersions on is Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.

Professor Baron-Cohen is Professor of Developmental Psychopathology in the Departments of Psychiatry and Experimental Psychology, a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, and Director of the Autism Research Centre at the University of Cambridge, in the United Kingdom.

I'd suggest that he might know more about diagnosing Asperger's than you do.

Oh thanks I did read that far, so that the time of my statement I did not know who he was

Does he know more about Autism than me? Certainly so, or at least I would hope so. But just because he knows it does not mean he has monopoly on this matter - he should stand up in court (it McKinnon's defense calls him as expert witness) and tell all about it. Great no problems! The problem I have is that McKinnon clearly does not want this to be in USA court.

[AtW]

OK I will post this and it will be on the CUK servers and when you read it I will be as guilty as McKinnon

I don't think so - you are using flawed analogy that will be laughed at in real court.

US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am minestrone. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.

You are entitled to your opinion, but if you get into American shoes after 9/11 when they get someone hacking into many system and leaving such messages than you'd understand they would be pissed off and HAVE to spend resources on getting this person. I reckon it was that message that did it for McKinnon, ie - if he did not leave something like this Americans would not be interested in getting it that far.

All in all McKinnon is responsible for the situation he finds himself in, whether his autism (real or not) can result in a reduced responsibility is subject to court.

[AtW]

OK I will post this and it will be on the CUK servers and when you read it I will be as guilty as McKinnon

Read T&Cs that you agreed to when signing up to CUK - you were allowed to post stuff here by them, if McKinnon shows up the page where he obtained password that allowed him to drop such messages on US military servers then I am sure that would be pretty good defense for that particular accusation.

[minestrone]

I don't think so - you are using flawed analogy that will be laughed at in real court.



You are entitled to your opinion, but if you get into American shoes after 9/11 when they get someone hacking into many system and leaving such messages than you'd understand they would be pissed off and HAVE to spend resources on getting this person. I reckon it was that message that did it for McKinnon, ie - if he did not leave something like this Americans would not be interested in getting it that far.

All in all McKinnon is responsible for the situation he finds himself in, whether his autism (real or not) can result in a reduced responsibility is subject to court.

McKinnon is responsible for a crime, there is never any doubt upon that. He has admited that what is in doubt is the damage that is claimed he did, logging into an open system on the web and drifting about a file system is not damage, he left a message on the file system admiting he was in there.

What is on doubt is if this country should be handing over a person to be judged by their legal system when they would not hand over someone for the same crime to be judged by our legal system.

Our legal system will judge his crime based upon his medical history and he will be given a year in an open prison which I think is a fair reflection in his 'crime'. We are handing him over to do a life term, he is being threatened with 60 or 70 years.

I will look back when I am old and know that Britain was once called Great Britain and this was one of the points we lost the Great from the title.

[AtW]

McKinnon is responsible for a crime, there is never any doubt upon that. He has admited that what is in doubt is the damage that is claimed he did, logging into an open system on the web and drifting about a file system is not damage, he left a message on the file system admiting he was in there.

One can't commit a crime by using an open system whilst adhering to T&Cs.

This country has got a lot of lenient laws with poor history of prosecution for "white-collar crimes", it's the USA who jailed Natwest bankers who were extradited from this country, it was USA who jailed former Lord Conrad Black etc. They actually take law seriously there - McKinnon should have considered that he is about 20 years late for games of that kind.

[AtW]

Off to work on SKA - this argument is criminal waste of my valuable time - be thankful I am not in the USA as otherwise I'd ask for your extradition

[minestrone]

Off to work on SKA - this argument is criminal waste of my valuable time - be thankful I am not in the USA as otherwise I'd ask for your extradition

I will be looking forward to your SKA lawyers contacting me in the morning.

[AtW]

I will be looking forward to your SKA lawyers contacting me in the morning.

horse's head

[TheFaQQer]

Oh thanks I did read that far, so that the time of my statement I did not know who he was

Does he know more about Autism than me? Certainly so, or at least I would hope so. But just because he knows it does not mean he has monopoly on this matter - he should stand up in court (it McKinnon's defense calls him as expert witness) and tell all about it. Great no problems! The problem I have is that McKinnon clearly does not want this to be in USA court.

I would be careful about labelling someone like Professor Baron-Cohen an "alleged doctor" on a public forum, if I were you, Alexei.