McKinnon to be extradited

[RichardCranium]

Aye, very good. I'm simply asking if you consulted each and every web site you have scraped and asked "can you give me permission to do this"

Have you asked the BBC's permission to view their news web site?

Have you asked Google if you may use their search engine?

You are being very silly.

[minestrone]

That's silly. He doesn't have people's details; merely a record of links they make available publicly on the 'net.

I'm sure he knows where this line of questioning is going.

[AtW]

Aye, very good. I'm simply asking if you consulted each and every web site you have scraped and asked "can you give me permission to do this"

Yes we did by making our crawler support de facto industry standard: robots.txt.

IMHO you are approaching it from a wrong perspective.

First of all you should ask whether what we do is something done by others (Google/Microsoft/Yahoo) which is considered acceptable practice, "fair use" that I think is not explicitly covered in UK law, but precedents of companies operating should be strong defence.

Secondly you should ask whether we are violating any particular laws - like say holding personal information, we don't do that hence Data Protection Laws does not apply to us.

Anyway, I need to get back to SKA now - legal arguments are sure interesting, but make sure you stay cool.

[AtW]

I'm sure he knows where this line of questioning is going.

No, I don't actually.

As I said - if you genuinely believe our operations violate any of the UK laws then please tell me that. It is my view that we don't and we'll be prepared to defend that in court. Talking of which - I certainly won't be claiming that I am autistic (despite what guru says, suppose he is probably not a doctor).

[minestrone]

Have you asked the BBC's permission to view their news web site?

Have you asked Google if you may use their search engine?

You are being very silly.

Thank you.

The boxes he got into served up the content to him, it was more the fault of the administrators that decided the content should be server up to him.

[AtW]

The boxes he got into served up the content to him, it was more the fault of the administrators that decided the content should be server up to him.

McKinnon did that manually and went into password protected systems, perhaps using tools to crack passwords etc.

This is no way what our operations do - they are automated, we only crawl publicly available HTTP or HTTPS (very little) data, passwords are not used and not guessed.

Could be crawl some NASA.gov page that they did put up publicly by mistake? That's possible if we find backlinks to it, however this is completely different from intentionally trying to access internal systems that more often than not carry warnings against unauthorised use.

So I think your analogy is totally incorrect.

[minestrone]

No, I don't actually.

As I said - if you genuinely believe our operations violate any of the UK laws then please tell me that. It is my view that we don't and we'll be prepared to defend that in court. Talking of which - I certainly won't be claiming that I am autistic (despite what guru says, suppose he is probably not a doctor).

OK, CUK have dropped a cookie onto my PC, that is damage according to what the McKinnon prosecution team have said.

[AtW]

OK, CUK have dropped a cookie onto my PC, that is damage according to what the McKinnon prosecution team have said.

I am pretty sure they did not say that, in any case decision on what is damage or not should be left to court, McKinnon is desperate to avoid being in court in the USA, because (in my view) he perfectly knows that his defensive position is extremely weak to say the least.

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Here is a thing about McKinnon that his supporters seem to ignore:

"McKinnon has denied causing any damage, arguing that he accessed open, unsecured machines, and disputes the financial loss claimed by the US as concocted in order to create a dollar amount justifying an extraditable offence. While it did not constitute evidence of destruction, he did admit leaving a threat on one computer:

"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”[19] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon#Background

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle4628575.ece

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Enuff said.

[minestrone]

I am pretty sure they did not say that, in any case decision on what is damage or not should be left to court, McKinnon is desperate to avoid being in court in the USA, because (in my view) he perfectly knows that his defensive position is extremely weak to say the least.

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Here is a thing about McKinnon that his supporters seem to ignore:

"McKinnon has denied causing any damage, arguing that he accessed open, unsecured machines, and disputes the financial loss claimed by the US as concocted in order to create a dollar amount justifying an extraditable offence. While it did not constitute evidence of destruction, he did admit leaving a threat on one computer:

"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”[19] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon#Background

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle4628575.ece

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Enuff said.

OK I will post this and it will be on the CUK servers and when you read it I will be as guilty as McKinnon

US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am minestrone. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.

I'm not quoting, these are my words.

[TheFaQQer]

I don't know who his doctor is.

Your Wikipedia search didn't find it for you? FWIW, the professional you are casting aspersions on is Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.

Professor Baron-Cohen is Professor of Developmental Psychopathology in the Departments of Psychiatry and Experimental Psychology, a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, and Director of the Autism Research Centre at the University of Cambridge, in the United Kingdom.

I'd suggest that he might know more about diagnosing Asperger's than you do.