Oh Dear: Is there any other country in Europe where this would cause outrage ?

[DodgyAgent]

I think it's pretty simple isn't it. BTW I don't follow people around and make it my life to respond to all, I may not even see it.

All who are here and we cannot get rid of of course should stay. The Indians have been a fine addition to our country but others have not and make no attempt to. So we have a complete freeze and get rid of all the people who should not be here, no more visas for extremist students etc. Get out of the EU if we need to (as someone kindly pointed out there are other reasons why this would be good, but you know they didn't seem relevant to this thread).

Assess what the extent is (sure I've said this before) and discourage segregation, sponging offof the state (that will be me and you indirectly) should be halted (despite what people say Pakistanis/Banglas have 3 times the unemployment rate as Caucasian), no arranged marriages with ISC people. No bleating about they haven't the opportunity, well if they don't speak the bl00dy language would you employ them? No foreign preachers and no sermons in anything but English. Gag lefty loonies who want to give our country away because they have some utopian ideal in mind that is simply not possible.

Now |I gave some of that before but you don't think I did. If you believe any of it is not good then say so but for Gods sake grow up.

I wonder how brave you would be away from your stained computer chair, easy to call someone when you don't have to face them eh sonny?

The man has a point.

[sasguru]

Did Enoch put a timescale on his views? It worries me when people righteously proclaim things such as "I have been a moderator and then admin of a bigger site". These sort of people resort to a level of self righteousness simply because they have nothing logical or reasonable to offer in a debate.

Causus Delhi is beginning to grow on me.

Stop being an agent provacateur DA.

I've had a few beers so bear with me. I agree that stan is being self righteous. But I think that CD is a fake and a fraud ( as you hane saidyourself). He has come on with a pile of crap (offensive at that), been a liar by claiming to be a "prof of maths " when his maths skills are below a retarded 15 year old's. talked a lot of bollocks and is full of tulip. Like OG said I hate him and hs kind. But i still want a forum for arseholes like hom if only because we can show him up for the fraud he is - which I leave it to the forum to judge.

[Causus Deli]

Maybe it's in the document, but where does 4.7 come from?

You didn't read my ref did you. The other guys data were from 81-91 which as he has pointed out in such a timescale are meaningless. You guys really need to get scientific and stop making damn fools of yourself. People here can see the story and hopefully will make it their concern to investigate for themselves. A bit of personal research around Wembley and its lovely shopping area additions will be helpful unless they are after some smack. I the latter then take your interpreter. I apologise for any typos, the sun is gloriously falling on Chateaux Deli this morning and playing optical games with me old eyes.

[The Lone Gunman]

We are just pointing out the problems with your posts which are filled with right wing hate. I have been a moderator and then an admin of a bigger site forum than this and we would have banned you long before now.

Where did he post any hate?
I think you (and others) on this site are confusing a patriotic argument with hate. Remember that this debate started with a comment made by a NL MP wishing to provide services for Brits first.
CD expanded that with what appears to be the BNPs policy, but I do not recall any hatred in his posts, infact I seem to remember him saying that a number of migrants have enhanced the UK.
Wanting to stop foreign migrants draining the UK welfare system and imposing their culture in our Country is not racist. Other Countries around the World make sure this does not happen.

As I said before, it would seem that a number of people only want to allow free speach when it agrees with them.

[Causus Deli]

I don't know if there is any intervening data. If you find it, it would be interesting to share. There are a mass of factors that will affect this kind of figure, and you point some of them out (I'm sure there are more):

Culture / religion
Distance (in miles, generations, culture) from ancestral homeland
Family income
Education
Employment levels in women

Look how Irish birthrate as declined in a couple of generations (no, I don't have the figures).

Now, if we were having this discussion in 1981, and we used the figures then, it would come out pretty wrong. Why would it be different now? Life's to complex to just apply exponentials to populations and then take the result as a prediction. That ain't modelling. I'm not saying I could model, but the link I provide has a very large document (that I've not read) for those who are interested in an academic approach to this, rather than some nutter mouthing off on a Contractors' website - and I don't mean me

My belief, like SASGuru's is that fertility rates will fall in these women, but it's a belief based on the largely cultural factors above, and I've no way to back it up - but that's a different argument. Neither can anyone back up the assumption that it will remain the same - yet that assumption lies at the core of CD's calculations.

Let me educate you. Nowere have I said my calculations are not estimates indeed pointing out falabilities with assumptions when appropriate. We do not know the answer right because that would involve tea tea leaves, but we can use best estimates. Now 3 is clearly an underestimate but for robustness purposes I did the calculations on this very breeding rate and concluded <5 generation we will be Asian. If you do not support standard statistical theory of estimation and extrapolation (not too far) then fine, we have no further need for discourse. However you and SAS have used counter data from 81-91 in ISC and Canada/US respectively. This is an estimation process and we have questioned it's validity, perhaps you guys should as I did point out the frailties in the arguments. Then as I did take a conservative estimate and see if the problem predicted/otherwise was supported. You did not instead calling me a liar, whilst I don't like to blow my own trumpet I am, without doubt, a far more renowned exponent of the art that you guys, your basic errors in scientific thinking are clear for all to see. You chose to turn this personal
no doubt as a result of the red haze descending. All your counter arguments can be sent straight back atcha. BTW you mixed the sexes in your lengthy calculation thing but I understand this was not deliberate and therefore did not call you a liar. I'd ditch your poodle if I were you, they are disgusting animals and sh1t anywhere.

[Causus Deli]

4.7 is the birthrate of couples where the man is a British Pakistani and the woman is born in Pakistan. I forget the source but I think it is a reputable official statistic (from 2001 I think?)

I do not believe it is 2001, far more recent. Unlike your data from the 80's FFS.

[Causus Deli]

3 times I have shown up your errors / lies - you suggest there are errors (and I said there might be) in my sums but you don't show them or defend my detailed critique of yours. Particularly the way you applied a figure for women from ISC marrying British ISC Asians, to women and men from ISC marrying British ISC Asians. And then applied that to all Asians, not just those from ISC.

Less than 5 generations is only the answer if you apply exponentials and assume that birthrates do not change - you have not backed that up, and I have shown how quickly they do change. Have a look at the properly researched paper I linked to if you want to undertand an academic approach to population modelling.

How we get there is not immaterial - it suggets that you cannot be trusted.

Next - there are no 'conservative assumptions'. I've shown why.

We don't have to make big changes - immigrant populations' birthrate will, IMO, reduce soon enough.

As for being dominated by 'backward thinking', people can make up their own minds where they might find examples of that. Me, I'll get on with my own life (and my work) and let people get on with theirs. I've got Muslim friends and colleagues, and have lived in areas with large Muslim popultations, and I find most people are pretty much decent people who want to be part of the society they find themselves in.

What scares me is the fascist state you and your sort would bring in, under the cover of a hyped up prediction of theocracy.

Did you volunteer an alternative hypothesis to mine of assuming males and females from the ISC would breed the same. Afterall this process will result in a likely non English speaker with third world thinking and habits. You are not discrimination on gender are you. I see you now possibly drop the claims I am a liar, that's a start sledging is a sign of weakness. But you still claim to have put me right when you yourself said 3 per couple was OK (infact 1.5 per person would be more accurate given the marriage practices). As yoiu point out there are huge uncertainties but fail to see that my assertion is correct that unless we see a chnage we will be an Asian driven culture in but a few generations. You are arguing with your nemesis and fail to see what this is all about.

[Causus Deli]

People who would have peoples livelihood for having different views, here on this very forum. Well from my little retreat of Chateaux Deli I bid you a farewell and hope you enjoy your little state where freedom of speech is dying and left wing loonies believe they are doing us all a favour.

Bye BYe

[andy]

What do peeps think about France which has 10% muslims. Surely it will be islamic state well before UK.

[The Lone Gunman]

What do peeps think about France which has 10% muslims. Surely it will be islamic state well before UK.

Watch and learn.