Oh Dear: Is there any other country in Europe where this would cause outrage ?

[sasguru]

Let me educate you. Nowere have I said my calculations are not estimates indeed pointing out falabilities with assumptions when appropriate. We do not know the answer right because that would involve tea tea leaves, but we can use best estimates. Now 3 is clearly an underestimate but for robustness purposes I did the calculations on this very breeding rate and concluded <5 generation we will be Asian. If you do not support standard statistical theory of estimation and extrapolation (not too far) then fine, we have no further need for discourse. However you and SAS have used counter data from 81-91 in ISC and Canada/US respectively. This is an estimation process and we have questioned it's validity, perhaps you guys should as I did point out the frailties in the arguments. Then as I did take a conservative estimate and see if the problem predicted/otherwise was supported. You did not instead calling me a liar, whilst I don't like to blow my own trumpet I am, without doubt, a far more renowned exponent of the art that you guys, your basic errors in scientific thinking are clear for all to see. You chose to turn this personal
no doubt as a result of the red haze descending. All your counter arguments can be sent straight back atcha. BTW you mixed the sexes in your lengthy calculation thing but I understand this was not deliberate and therefore did not call you a liar. I'd ditch your poodle if I were you, they are disgusting animals and sh1t anywhere.

More Bulltulipe. You have still not answered my very reasonable scientific question:

Given that your initial figures are correct (which is highly doubtful), why do you assume the same fertility rate for 5 generations?

[sasguru]

Did you volunteer an alternative hypothesis to mine of assuming males and females from the ISC would breed the same. Afterall this process will result in a likely non English speaker with third world thinking and habits. You are not discrimination on gender are you. I see you now possibly drop the claims I am a liar, that's a start sledging is a sign of weakness. But you still claim to have put me right when you yourself said 3 per couple was OK (infact 1.5 per person would be more accurate given the marriage practices). As yoiu point out there are huge uncertainties but fail to see that my assertion is correct that unless we see a chnage we will be an Asian driven culture in but a few generations. You are arguing with your nemesis and fail to see what this is all about.

All I see is bulltulipe and no attempt to engage in rational, scientific debate.
You are a fraud.

[Damp Cave]

We are seeing a subgroup of our population that are becoming increasingly alienated (for whatever reason) and these people seem to be withdrawing back into their original culture as a consequence. We must break this cycle if we are not to see more and more segregation in our cities. Lessons can perhaps be learned from the Hindu/Sikh history since the early 70’s where these people are now on the whole fully integrated into British life, still observing their traditions and accepting of Britain’s at the same time.

[Old Greg]

I'm not going to spend time going through his dodgy stats again - done it 3 times, and believe it or not, I do have work to do. In my earlier post, I linked to a lengthy document with senior academics in such disciplines as demography and population geography who are in a better position than any of us to understand the complexities of population projection.

To look as CD's preposterous methodology:

3.4 million British Asians at a consistent 'replacement rate' of 1.5 per generation. In a mere 1000-ish years (40 generations) this will lead to 37,594,930,000,000 (yes, that's 37 1/2 trillion, folks) British Asians. Let's leave it to those who understand it.

So what to make of CD? He's not stupid, yet he comes up with preposterous predictions. He's scaremongering. He's part of a fascist movement that is inventing a racial threat (Jews, blacks, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis - doesn't matter which one is in vogue at the moment) to scare the white population (in another age, perhaps the word 'Folk' would be used). What will be needed to deal with it? Racial unity, discipline and most of all strong leadership. No prizes for guessing where that will be found.

[Ardesco]

Racial unity, discipline and most of all strong leadership. No prizes for guessing where that will be found.

So in other words we are fecked....



Best book my tickets out of here i guess....

[Old Greg]

So in other words we are fecked....



Best book my tickets out of here i guess....

No we're not fecked. The fascist position is very much a minority one and likely to stay that way, but we shouldn't be complacement - much more difficult to deal with them when they're knocking on the doors of power.

As for tickets, out of here - one of the reasons I believe in asylum (genuine asylum, that is) is that if that lot ever get power, I'll be looking for some of that asylum myself.

[DodgyAgent]

We are seeing a subgroup of our population that are becoming increasingly alienated (for whatever reason) and these people seem to be withdrawing back into their original culture as a consequence. We must break this cycle if we are not to see more and more segregation in our cities. Lessons can perhaps be learned from the Hindu/Sikh history since the early 70’s where these people are now on the whole fully integrated into British life, still observing their traditions and accepting of Britain’s at the same time.

At last It has taken 370 posts to find one that makes any sense on this topic

[Damp Cave]

So what to make of CD? He's not stupid, yet he comes up with preposterous predictions. He's scaremongering. He's part of a fascist movement that is inventing a racial threat (Jews, blacks, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis - doesn't matter which one is in vogue at the moment) to scare the white population (in another age, perhaps the word 'Folk' would be used). What will be needed to deal with it? Racial unity, discipline and most of all strong leadership. No prizes for guessing where that will be found.

1000 generations is a preposterous extrapolation of course, however a few generations, whatever, could be in some people’s lifetime. I don’t see any reason to change current estimates discussed in the absence of anything better, so unless you come up with something more than ‘why should it be the same in 5 generations’ then others are entitled to say ‘why should it not be’, is the current rate not the best estimate? This has been an important debate and long may we have them. There was nothing mentioned that was racist, the constant attacks on him rather than the subject did say something about the way it is these days. The constant taunting about Hitler, jews, holocaust, blacks etc was piss poor and beneath contempt. As a young parent I do worry about the future for my children but I worry more that we cannot have open debate without fear of being labelled. Without this we are surely in the hands of others with their agendas.

[sasguru]

1000 generations is a preposterous extrapolation of course, however a few generations, whatever, could be in some people’s lifetime. I don’t see any reason to change current estimates discussed in the absence of anything better, so unless you come up with something more than ‘why should it be the same in 5 generations’ then others are entitled to say ‘why should it not be’, is the current rate not the best estimate? This has been an important debate and long may we have them. There was nothing mentioned that was racist, the constant attacks on him rather than the subject did say something about the way it is these days. The constant taunting about Hitler, jews, holocaust, blacks etc was piss poor and beneath contempt. As a young parent I do worry about the future for my children but I worry more that we cannot have open debate without fear of being labelled. Without this we are surely in the hands of others with their agendas.

Most sensible people would like immigration to be better controlled and better integration (e.g. less marrying abroad). However there's a difference between that and fascists stirring up stuff that doesn't exist. There are strong scientific reasons when creating a model to check all your assumptions. CD did not do that in order to stir up people with his ridiculous top-end projections. And why does he have to lie about being a Professor of Maths, when a cursory examination of his posts shows he has the numerate ability of a 16 year old? Like most fascists, he seems to suffer from a deep personal insecurity which can only be assuaged by belonging to a member of a "superior" group.

PS I would rip the tulip out of a Leftie PC Marxist in exactly the same way. I hate extremism of all kinds. That's why I will be voting Tory.

[Damp Cave]

Once again you attack him and dispell all he says as he is a 'fraud' and 'liar'. Perhaps some elements are real and others imaginary, do you prefer all or nothing arguments?

Let me ask you one question would you be happy for your children if his soothsaying prophecies come true? And back to the original question would you be happy for your children to be in line with the same chance as an Eastern EU worker for local authority housing?