67 willies handing on the wall

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ll-claims.html

Nigel Farage and Reform UK would win 67 seats from Labour at the next General Election, new poll claims

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Think tank More In Common produced the poll with survey data of more than 11,000 people between October 31 and December 16.

If the polling results were to be reflected across the country, none of the parties would be likely to have enough votes to secure a majority.

Labour would remain the largest party with 228 seats, just six more than the Conservatives on 222, Reform would surge to 72 seats, with the Lib Dems on 58 and the SNP on 37.

[sadkingbilly]

Waloob

[vetran]

Waloob

Have you started a new firm providing executive release?

[Fraidycat]

[malvolio]

£9 billion expected to be raised from VAT on school fees. Cost for kids entering the state school system, £250 million.

That's Labour economics.

Hmmm...

The £9bn is an estimate, but given a lot of smaller schools (you know, niche ones like those providing SEND support and the like) will be closing down, and the surviving public schools are now VAT registered meaning a lot of VAT will be claimed back for day-to-day items, nobody other than Phillipson believes the take will be anywhere near that.

£250m entering the state system at £7500 per pupil per year (NAO numbers, not mine) means another 33,000 odd extra pupils spread over 4000 or so state secondary schools, means about 8 pupils per school extra (assuming most public schools are secondary level). Then they will be hiring 6500 extra teachers (from where, you have to ask...), or 1-2 teachers per school.

It's all nonsense, isn't it.

[vetran]

£9 billion expected to be raised from VAT on school fees. Cost for kids entering the state school system, £250 million.

That's Labour economics.

So if the private school fees go up by 20% how many are going to demand state places? Do we have any?

https://www.gbnews.com/news/surrey-c...r-vat-tax-raid

Look forward to lawyers taking councils to court in a big way.

No its eat the rich, Marxist policies for thickos!

[vetran]

Hmmm...

The £9bn is an estimate, but given a lot of smaller schools (you know, niche ones like those providing SEND support and the like) will be closing down, and the surviving public schools are now VAT registered meaning a lot of VAT will be claimed back for day-to-day items, nobody other than Phillipson believes the take will be anywhere near that.

£250m entering the state system at £7500 per pupil per year (NAO numbers, not mine) means another 33,000 odd extra pupils spread over 4000 or so state secondary schools, means about 8 pupils per school extra (assuming most public schools are secondary level). Then they will be hiring 6500 extra teachers (from where, you have to ask...), or 1-2 teachers per school.

It's all nonsense, isn't it.

Of course it is like most of New lie 2.0's ideas! Which is why they will get a spanking at the next election.

When I was vat registered I claimed about 15-25% of it back, I did have nice shiny laptops and the best coffee etc. I didn't have any listed buildings to support though.

[malvolio]

Well, from all those private schools that have shut down of course!

The point is that while it may well not make as much money as expected (what government tax changes ever do?), and while it may well cause difficulties for state schools, overall it's unlikely to end up with less revenue than in 2024. Let's check the books in 2026 and see what happens.

The revenue is not the point*. The social damage is far wider. There are families here who are using private schools for their SEND children that simply won't flourish in the state school sector while their current schools will have to close down. These are not huge flourishing academies like Millfield, most have 30-40 pupils

Taxing education - which no other country does - is the point. Plus removal of their charitable status, meaning, inter alia, a lot of bursaries and scholarships for gifted but less well off pupils are going to disappear.

It's a stupid and vindictive move that will gain f*** all in terms of GDP while causing a heap of collateral damage. A bit like all their other policies so far.


*EDIT Sorry, the revenue is the point. All they can see are numbers on an HMG bank account to spend on the public sector. Nothing else matters.

[sadkingbilly]

When I was vat registered I claimed about 15-25% of it back, I did have nice shiny laptops and the best coffee etc. I didn't have any listed buildings to support though.

ah, the heady days of 15% VAT.

[vetran]

The revenue is not the point*. The social damage is far wider. There are families here who are using private schools for their SEND children that simply won't flourish in the state school sector while their current schools will have to close down. These are not huge flourishing academies like Millfield, most have 30-40 pupils

Taxing education - which no other country does - is the point. Plus removal of their charitable status, meaning, inter alia, a lot of bursaries and scholarships for gifted but less well off pupils are going to disappear.

It's a stupid and vindictive move that will gain f*** all in terms of GDP while causing a heap of collateral damage. A bit like all their other policies so far.


*EDIT Sorry, the revenue is the point. All they can see are numbers on an HMG bank account to spend on the public sector. Nothing else matters.

But they are rich people's children so they deserve to suffer!