Reform private prosecution

**pjt** · 2024-11-20T14:02:46

Originally posted by vetran View Post

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2649014.html

hmmm

Looks like the have a fairly solid point. Would you not agree?

**NotAllThere** · 2024-11-20T14:40:00

“Yet the appalling attack on police officers at Manchester Airport has been completely ignored.

Only it hasn't been ignored, has it? It's still being considered by the CPS. It may be dilatory in the face of the speed of prosecutions of the Southport rioters, but it's not been ignored. Furthermore, some of the police behaviour was questionable, albeit in the face of violence - at Southport, there was no mitigation, no "other side". Much simpler cases.

**Snooky** · 2024-11-20T14:47:11

Originally posted by vetran View Post

Yet the appalling attack on police officers at Manchester Airport has been completely ignored

GMP have provided their file of evidence to the CPS, who are deciding whether to prosecute Fahir Amaaz and Muhammed Amaad in connection with this incident.

Typical Farage stirring the s*** on the basis of nothing other than his own ego.

**WTFH** · 2024-11-20T15:31:08

Originally posted by Snooky View Post

Typical Farage stirring the s*** on the basis of nothing other than his own ego.

They've got all the money left over that was raised for Yaxley-Lennon's defence which he then didn't use because he pleaded guilty.

**NotAllThere** · 2024-11-20T21:03:10

Here's another example of Two Tier policing. The assault allegedly happened last December and it's only brought to trial now.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...pub-landlords/

**northernladuk** · 2024-11-20T21:36:41

Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

Only it hasn't been ignored, has it? It's still being considered by the CPS. It may be dilatory in the face of the speed of prosecutions of the Southport rioters, but it's not been ignored. Furthermore, some of the police behaviour was questionable, albeit in the face of violence - at Southport, there was no mitigation, no "other side". Much simpler cases.

Generally what NAT said.

The latest update from the IPOC on this case is here.
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/pub...et-august-2024

The key paragraphs that is most likely to be contributing to the delay is

What happens when there are parallel police investigations?
If there are parallel police investigations into offences by members of the public, we will liaise with the police force and the Crown Prosecution Service to determine the best course of action. The starting point to these discussions is to find the best way to progress all investigations without compromising each other’s enquiries, to ensure all relevant information is available to all parties and that risks can be managed. This can sometimes mean changing the way evidence is gathered or sharing relevant evidence.
Sometimes, where the CPS consider activity may compromise a course of justice, an investigation may be required to delay some activity until the risk of prejudice has passed. In some instances, where investigations are intrinsically linked, the CPS may decide the risk of prejudice to proceedings requires the investigation is paused until proceedings have taken place. This can mean either a police investigation being put on hold, or the IOPC investigation being paused. In this case, those discussions with the CPS are currently taking place as we work to determine the best way to approach this investigation. In the meantime, we continue to gather and review what evidence we can without negatively impacting any other investigation.

So there is an investigation in to the actions of the two men allegedly assaulting the police and then there is the IPOC investigation in to the two policemens actions. So according the above paragraph they can't really complete the IPOC investigation until the CPS have decided to charge the two men and then they can judge on the circumstances that lead up to it.. at which point that result could impact the action of the police officer but on the flip side the actions of the police initially could have started it all and the IPOC investigation is holding up the CPS one. So it's a difficult situation.

IPOC says it expects 6 months which is end of Dec for their bit and then they will have to work with CPS as to which one comes first which will be a delay on the 45 odd days it's taking for CPS to make decisions when they open a case
https://criminal-justice-delivery-da...ational--chart

So yeah it seems unusally slow but there are two distict but linked sides and it's going to create mayhem when the charges are made and any action taken after. The police/IOPC/CPS can't win here and there is going to be trouble one way or the other so rather it take a long time and do it right or just have a sham case and rioting.

TBF I think the policeman that kicked him is royally fkd. Should he have done it? Who knows, easy for us to say watching a video but they had just been very viciously attacked and it happened in seconds but that won't stop half the country baying for his blood. Even if the reality err's on the side of 'in the heat of battle' they are likely to chuck him under a bus IMO. There is a race element to consider here and letting him off scott free isn't going to work even if it was justified.

But back on topic

Typical Farage stirring the s*** on the basis of nothing other than his own ego.

Certainly a strong element of this. It is frustratingly long for both sides but it has to in a situation like this. Where Farage 'might' be speaking the voice of the 'everyman' it's still not his place or the right time. Not a bad move politicially I guess but that doesn't make it right.

**WTFH** · 2024-11-21T08:04:24

Speaking of the British Union of Faragists, I see their various regional groups have been sharing their "support" for British farmers with a photo claiming that it is British farmers driving to London, when the one they are using is German farmer protesting last year.

Reform private prosecution