Striving for peace!

[vetran]

It's that phrase that some Israelis use when they talk about where they would like their beach-side apartments to be built.

Well why Israel hasn't flattened and colonised Gaza, moved everyone to the west bank I don't know it would be a lot easier for Egypt and them.

Can you explain why the Palestinian's believe they are entitled to either area?

[WTFH]

Well why Israel hasn't flattened and colonised Gaza, moved everyone to the west bank I don't know it would be a lot easier for Egypt and them.

Can you explain why the Palestinian's believe they are entitled to either area?

Can you explain why Israel thinks it is entitled to the West Bank and Gaza?
As for moving everyone to the West Bank, the Israelis are too busy capturing land and building houses on it.

And when you talk about flattening Gaza, it seems that is what they are doing. But maybe Harey Zahav were only joking when they started to market properties for Israelis in Gaza.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...gaza-after-war

[vetran]

1948 - Palestinians flee Israel and go to Gaza at the behest of their leaders who wanted to attack Israel
1967 - Israel re captures Gaza after they attacked Israel
1990s - Israel blockades Gaza due to terroris attacks
2005 - Israel pulls its troops out to provide a path to peace
2007 - Israel's second blockade of Gaza After Hamas killing their political opponents and daily attack Israel's border.
2008 - Israel launches air strikes on Gaza tunnels , sparking a war. Over 1100 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed.
2018 - Israel kills 480+ Palestinians for having a series of marches in Gaza, but near the border. Oddly these 'peaceful marches include teh marchers hurling rocks at the Israeli sldies

But sure, Israel, the military superpower, has never done any of that, it's all lies.

So now your lies have been shown to totally bogus (that is the problem with facts) you go for deception.

its deception and half truths now.

Isn't that better with the extra information.

It all started a bit before that

2500 BCE Israelis live in the area now described as Palestine Mostly peacefully with a transient Arab population as most of it was desert.

Romans Invade Palestine which was mainly Jewish
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Ottoman Empire invades 'Palestine'.
The Ottoman empire falls to the British
1918 - Balfour declaration where the legal owner of what was to be Palestine and Israel gave it to the Jews & Future Palestinians, the Egyptian Arabs who had settled in the area were not happy with that and did not accept the gift they continued arguing even when the UN suggested a similar split.

As far as I know Palestinians haven't actually accepted any treaties that make Palestine theirs. There have been a number of peace discussions that Israel have been willing to sign.


But sure Hamas the international terror organisation only murders, Kidnaps gang rapes a few innocent civilians. It only wants to murder all the Jews in the area I can see why you are confused, their repeated attempts at genocide having been stopped by Israel are obviously completely unfair to these nice kind racists.

[vetran]

Can you explain why Israel thinks it is entitled to the West Bank and Gaza?
As for moving everyone to the West Bank, the Israelis are too busy capturing land and building houses on it.

And when you talk about flattening Gaza, it seems that is what they are doing. But maybe Harey Zahav were only joking when they started to market properties for Israelis in Gaza.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...gaza-after-war

Maybe have a look at the Balfour declaration it was theirs originally.

The west bank & Gaza - in 1967 when Egypt, Jordan & Syria attacked Israel and lost these areas as it was a defensive war it legally became theirs. Do have a bit of a read around this. That is why they retain the Golan heights. Of course the Arabs are still complaining.

If Hamas give back the hostages and surrender then maybe the Israelis will stop as they have always done before?

Its all public fact if you bother to look.

[Zigenare]

Well why Israel hasn't flattened and colonised Gaza, moved everyone to the west bank I don't know it would be a lot easier for Egypt and them.

Can you explain why the Palestinian's believe they are entitled to either area?

Yep, Allah promised it to them. Equally as plausible as the "Promised Land" guff spouted by the other side - whose "settlers" are currently attacking Palestinians in the West Bank.

[Zigenare]

Maybe have a look at the Balfour declaration it was theirs originally.

The west bank & Gaza - in 1967 when Egypt, Jordan & Syria attacked Israel and lost these areas as it was a defensive war it legally became theirs. Do have a bit of a read around this. That is why they retain the Golan heights. Of course the Arabs are still complaining.

If Hamas give back the hostages and surrender then maybe the Israelis will stop as they have always done before?

Its all public fact if you bother to look.

Ah, the "Balfour Declaration" - where we exchanged some of our interests in the area to the Jews for Rothschild's support in WW1.

[vetran]

Yep, Allah promised it to them. Equally as plausible as the "Promised Land" guff spouted by the other side - whose "settlers" are currently attacking Palestinians in the West Bank.

so cobblers then.

[malvolio]

Ah, the "Balfour Declaration" - where we exchanged some of our interests in the area to the Jews for Rothschild's support in WW1.

To be fair, the Promised Land was granted to Moses and the tribes by a rather higher authority than Balfour. You may recall they had to take it and then defend it against assorted other tribes, such as the Hittites and the Samaritans, with whom they later made peace. I think their historic right to the land is fairly understandable.

More recently the occupied territories were as a result of the Six Day war when there was a strong attempt to wipe out Israel. The opposition lost, rather badly.

And you may consider the current position of Jerusalem, which has three perfectly valid claims against it, again for historical reasons.

In fact the only people who don't have a valid claim to the land are Hamas...

[Zigenare]

To be fair, the Promised Land was granted to Moses and the tribes by a rather higher authority than Balfour. You may recall they had to take it and then defend it against assorted other tribes, such as the Hittites and the Samaritans, with whom they later made peace. I think their historic right to the land is fairly understandable.

More recently the occupied territories were as a result of the Six Day war when there was a strong attempt to wipe out Israel. The opposition lost, rather badly.

And you may consider the current position of Jerusalem, which has three perfectly valid claims against it, again for historical reasons.

In fact the only people who don't have a valid claim to the land are Hamas...

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

How's that turning out, then?

[vetran]

How's that turning out, then?

oddly better than the other way.

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...untold-history

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes in the years following the establishment of the State of Israel. This mass expulsion and exodus is part of modern history, but inexplicably, it’s neither taught at schools nor remembered within the context of the conflicts in the Middle East.

For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.