Tate BBC Interview

[woohoo]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/

If you're attempting to assert that someone who may be suffering a mental disorder, gender dysphoria, can't give informed consent then I think you would have to explain why someone suffering depression can consent to treatment.

Seems to be getting heated in this thread.

Surely, it matters what the treatment is. If i have depression and I ask for a lobotomy that is different from asking for medication or counselling. The same for gender dysphoria, perhaps treatment for the condition should be attempted before life changing drugs or surgery.

[wattaj]

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/

If you're attempting to assert that someone who may be suffering a mental disorder, gender dysphoria, can't give informed consent then I think you would have to explain why someone suffering depression can consent to treatment.

No, I am giving you the opportunity to clarify your understanding of "informed consent" in the case of young adults whose brain function has not yet fully matured and who may also be suffering with poor mental health.

Answering a question with a question only undermines your position... I believe that this linguistic slight of hand is also called "whataboutery".

[SueEllen]

You want me to get started on crime in the land of LGBT (formerly known as the UK)?

We didn't want to get you started on any of this, it doesn't seem to make much difference though. You just chunter on.

I wouldn't worry it isn't like he will answer you. He can't even provide crime stats to prove his point.

[SueEllen]

No, I am giving you the opportunity to clarify your understanding of "informed consent" in the case of young adults whose brain function has not yet fully matured and who may also be suffering with poor mental health.

I expected you to get an answer based on Gillick Competency and the law as it stands now not a link.

If you are over 16 whether you have gender dysphoria, depression or cancer in most cases you are expected to be able to understand your treatment options and give consent or refuse them. Some individuals under 16 are capable of this for different diseases/conditions e.g they show they are Gillick Competent.

Even if they changed the law to 18 young adults brains would not be mature enough to some older people but the legal cut off has to come somewhere.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I'm really glad I'm seeing the posts on here. If I had any doubts about leaving this place they are sure gone now. I used to be a pluralist but since LGBT/Gender ideology has taken over this land then I'm happy I won't be here much longer. I think let the LGBT people from all over the world move to these LGBT nations and let the other nations welcome those with traditional family values. We can do an exchange and let the sky rocketing LGBT "community" become ever larger in the west. Up until the point where there is so much genital mutiliation and homosexuality that you will die out as a race. Sad times for a country that I used to actually love.

[northernladuk]

I think let the LGBT people from all over the world move to these LGBT nations and let the other nations welcome those with traditional family values

If that's not the most small minded homophobic statement I've ever seen I don't know what is.
Sounds like something grandads would say. It's almost akin to saying all the black and coloured people to go back to their country so we can live in a white country like it used to be.

If we want to get rid of genital multilation wouldn't we need to get rid of most races/cultures that aren't white as well?

So you want to live in a country with no non caucasions or gay people. Next you'll be suggesting a master race of blue eyed blondes. Look how it ended for the last bloke that thought like that.

If you'd like to set up a GoFundMe to hasten your exit I'm sure plenty of people would be happy to make a donation.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Seems to be getting heated in this thread.

Surely, it matters what the treatment is. If i have depression and I ask for a lobotomy that is different from asking for medication or counselling. The same for gender dysphoria, perhaps treatment for the condition should be attempted before life changing drugs or surgery.

I expected you to get an answer based on Gillick Competency and the law as it stands now not a link.

If you are over 16 whether you have gender dysphoria, depression or cancer in most cases you are expected to be able to understand your treatment options and give consent or refuse them. Some individuals under 16 are capable of this for different diseases/conditions e.g they show they are Gillick Competent.

Even if they changed the law to 18 young adults brains would not be mature enough to some older people but the legal cut off has to come somewhere.

Pretty much. I lean to the libertarian side of life. I accept we have to draw a line in the sand. People will freely do things I think are bat tulip crazy, but that is price I willingly pay to safeguard my personal freedom.

There are 14 year olds who are more mature and sensible than 18 year olds, or even older. Yet we have drawn a line in the sand that 16 is the age of consent and 18 is the age of majority.

It's an absurdly complex issue. I have no moral qualms about someone ending their own life, but how do we determine that is a rational, free and genuine decision?

I think I'm relatively young to many here, but it does seem that respectful debate/discussion is no longer tolerated to work out complex issues.

[quackhandle]

Nice to see the angry little bigot has been banned. He did spout some utter twaddle.

qh

[woohoo]

Nice to see the angry little bigot has been banned. He did spout some utter twaddle.

qh

I don't know what he was banned for, lots of crap being posted and I'm generally trying to pick out the sane voices, but spouting twaddle should not be a bannable offense. At worst make a sub category for twaddle under the brexit forum and keep it all together.

[vetran]

If we want to get rid of genital multilation wouldn't we need to get rid of most races/cultures that aren't white as well?

Actually that isn't necessarily true, the action of mutilation is not a function of race, it is of culture. It is education and enforcement that is needed.

Until very recently white Europeans performed some truly horrifying things to each other as normal. Frequently based on religion.

https://www.thrillist.com/culture/th...ear-of-anguish